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    FiFi's new speakers and sound deadienng...

    At some point FiFi had her passanger side wondow broken and whoever replaced it, didn't get all the glass bits out....so today I went in to get them.

    And as long as the door is coming apart, I'm swapping speakers And as long as I'm swapping speakers, I'm adding sound deadening. You know how these projects go...

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    I do home audio projects from time to time, so I alwys have a box of Kilmat around. I did the backside of the door outer skin, and all the bracing on the cabin side.

    The OEM speakers had terrible bass.... very muddy. They are held in with pop rivets, which wern't very tight. They spun when I tried to drill them out. I looked around and fornd some cheap Kickers on eBay. With a stock head unit, you have no power to push much of anything, so speaker efficieny is key. These Kickers are 90db @ 1 watt /meter. They sound about as good as you can expect with the stock radio. I used good ol' nuts and bolts to install them. Those pop rivets were a terrible Fiat cost cutting measure....... to save $0.001 per car.

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    Resealed the membrane and put the door panel back on, and did the other side. No broken plastic clips!!!

    Comments.....
    1. Removing the glass bits was a big improvement.
    2. Replacing the speakers was somewhat of a improvment.
    3. Adding the sound deadening is a questionable improvement.

    Shutting the doors went from a tin can sound to a big car sounding " Schwomp!" when you close the door.
    But once the doors are closed and I'm driving around, their isn't much of sound difference. I guess most of the sound comes thru the glass and these lil' speakers dont pound the door tin very hard.

    I'm replacing the rear speakers next week, and adding more sound deadening under the front seats and front floor. Hopefully that works much better than doing the doors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alisobob View Post
    At some point FiFi had her passanger side wondow broken and whoever replaced it, didn't get all the glass bits out....so today I went in to get them.

    And as long as the door is coming apart, I'm swapping speakers And as long as I'm swapping speakers, I'm adding sound deadening. You know how these projects go...

    P1080140.jpg

    I do home audio projects from time to time, so I alwys have a box of Kilmat around. I did the backside of the door outer skin, and all the bracing on the cabin side.

    The OEM speakers had terrible bass.... very muddy. They are held in with pop rivets, which wern't very tight. They spun when I tried to drill them out. I looked around and fornd some cheap Kickers on eBay. With a stock head unit, you have no power to push much of anything, so speaker efficieny is key. These Kickers are 90db @ 1 watt /meter. They sound about as good as you can expect with the stock radio. I used good ol' nuts and bolts to install them. Those pop rivets were a terrible Fiat cost cutting measure....... to save $0.001 per car.

    P1080142.jpg

    Resealed the membrane and put the door panel back on, and did the other side. No broken plastic clips!!!

    Comments.....
    1. Removing the glass bits was a big improvement.
    2. Replacing the speakers was somewhat of a improvment.
    3. Adding the sound deadening is a questionable improvement.

    Shutting the doors went from a tin can sound to a big car sounding " Schwomp!" when you close the door.
    But once the doors are closed and I'm driving around, their isn't much of sound difference. I guess most of the sound comes thru the glass and these lil' speakers dont pound the door tin very hard.

    I'm replacing the rear speakers next week, and adding more sound deadening under the front seats and front floor. Hopefully that works much better than doing the doors.
    Ya, the base Pop speakers are um... just put it in the 20s for volume level and the distortion causes the door to rattle, and anything loose in the door bins, to just move around a little.
    I don't have a car, or a FIAT, yet. But, we do have a 500 as a family car. It's a 2014 FIAT 500 1.4 MultiAir 105 Pop, 6-speed AISIN AS60T Automatic, Grigio & Nero, 15" steel wheels, and a white stripe.

    105 hp - 100 lb-ft.
    No big mods, except for one, a K&N air filter.

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    I think the glass on these cars is so thin so save money and weight, you'll never get the full effect. Wind noise is also hard to overcome.
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    So I'm going to change the review on the sound deadening in the doors. I drove out to Chino Airport and there is a long section of the toll road that is steep, long, and fast.

    No engine, intake, or exhaust noise.... just you and the car.

    And you know what.... coasting at 80 mph was really quiet! I heard wind whistling around the mirrors for the fist time. Usually cabin noise drowns that kind of stuff out.

    So I'm giving the door deadening treatment 3.75 / 5 stars.

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    Did you replace them with 2 ohm speakers? I think the stock speakers are 2 ohm.

    Once I recover from back surgery I am going to do something similar with the rear speakers. There is glass in the cavities from a break in a few months back. I have all the parts. JBL speakers, kilmat, etc. I even have a bunch of spare clips. You can get a bag of FIAT clips from Amazon for $12.
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    mp4guy - you've got to agree that the dude has mad skills

    Unlike some forum members that are here daily and have never done a write-up, in one month Alisobob has generously fired out informative write-up after write up - and complete with pics.

    Can't wait to see/read more about the additional sound deadening in the driver/passenger portion of the cabin by the trans axle hump area- I think that will greatly help the acoustics of these tin cans.

    Carry on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200 View Post
    Did you replace them with 2 ohm speakers? I think the stock speakers are 2 ohm.
    Everything Was / Is 4 ohm

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    Nice job. I did the same project when the car was 6 mo. Covering the outer skin helps with noise and summer heat gain. Closing holes in the frame adds a bit more deadening, plus improves speaker bass. When you get to the rear speaks, you can use the same model you used up front, if you open the can (use it as a mounting point). I recommend using some foam to fill the gap between the speaker and the rear panel. W/ four 2-way speakers installed, I had too much tweet, so disabled the column speakers.

    Riveting speakers is pretty common in the industry. It's the quickest/cheapest way of securing them. If/when you decide on an amp, the Key180.4 Kicker is a pretty good choice. I went with a different amp, but it was a somewhat risky choice. Kicker's demo car is a 500 and the Key is an excellent choice for the little car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200 View Post
    Did you replace them with 2 ohm speakers? I think the stock speakers are 2 ohm.
    Lammie200 - Bob's got a POP w/ a stock head unit, so that probably why he had 4 Ohm speakers vs the "Beats" brand speakers I think you have/are comparing to in your Abarth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    I had too much tweet, so disabled the column speakers.

    I'm fairly deaf above 14k hrtz.....the more tweet the better for me.

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