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    Hey y'all,

    Coming from the "red" forum, thanks to @fast_Dave for helping me get here

    I just picked up from an auction an abandoned fiat sport! she's dirty, tired and ready to be awoken. It's a little project for my girlfriend and I for the fall semester being in person

    I wanted to try and start just to see if I could identify an issue, obviously old gas isn't going to help so I suspect better results if I just put new gas in. I also checked the oil and it's not actually bad as well, however the oil fill cap is gone??

    Here is the video


    Just looking for some help on what people think, I have time to diagnose this weekend but would like some initial feedback,
    Thank you in advance!
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    Welcome to the group... and congrats on the new car.

    If it were me, I'd obviously replace the oil fill cap, then have the battery load tested, before attempting to fire it up. Either could cause it not start. Modern cars can crank over but won't start w/o a good battery. (When voltage drops to around 12V during cranking, there isn't enough voltage to operate the electronics.) Despite the oil looking "not bad" I'd drain and replace it... filter optional. Since it was abandoned, it's possible the car has other problems. If the check engine light is on, pulling codes can possibly point to potentials reasons.

    If the car sat for less than a year, the fuel might be fine. This sounds like a good project especially with spring in the air.

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    I would change ALL of the fluids. Brakes, coolant, oil, the whole bit. Also fresh plugs, and eyeball the old ones for any signs of misfire, dirt, carbon, etc.

    Check air filter, or just replace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djacinto View Post
    Hey y'all,

    Coming from the "red" forum, thanks to @fast_Dave for helping me get here

    I just picked up from an auction an abandoned fiat sport! It's a little project for my girlfriend and I for the fall semester being in person

    I wanted to try and start just to see if I could identify an issue, obviously old gas isn't going to help so I suspect better results if I just put new gas in. I also checked the oil and it's not actually bad as well, however the oil fill cap is gone??

    Here is the video


    Just looking for some help on what people think, I have time to diagnose this weekend but would like some initial feedback,
    Thank you in advance!
    I would try to purge the air out of the MultiAir system first, to do that, look down the oil filler tube, there's a small circle, if you push down on it with a screwdriver, it will purge the air out, have one person keep it pushed down, and someone else to crank it over, it should fire right up. What happens to these FIATs is that when they sit for two long, the oil will drain out of the MultiAir system, and it'll fill up with air, the idea is to purge the air, so the engine can turn over and get oil flowing through the engine, instead of air flowing through the engine. It's complicated, I know.
    I don't have a car, or a FIAT, yet. But, my mom does have a 500. It's a 2014 FIAT 500 1.4i MultiAir Pop, Grigio & Nero, 6-spd automatic, 15" steel wheels, and a white stripe.

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    Welcome to the forum. How old of car is it? What model year. Mileage? How long has it been sitting in limbo?

    Fresh battery
    Fresh engine oil
    Check the brakes
    Tire wear
    Replace the engine air filter
    Cabin filter
    Fresh fuel, run some fuel injector fluid in that tank.
    Replace the spark plugs, if worn.
    Replace the brake fluid

    From the video clip, sounds like the battery is weak.



    A oil cap, is 17 bucks off eBay....

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    Thanks for registering and welcome to the forum.

    Some basics about the MultiAir. Oil quality, quantity and viscosity are important. Old or dirty oil or the wrong viscosity can affect starting. Use 5w30 oil for non-turbo cars.

    As was mentioned, oil can bleed out of the MultiAir unit. There are many threads tagged with Extended Park or Extended Sitting. Here is the recommended factory (easy) procedure from a previous thread that everyone uses:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    We've had a few discussions on this on the forum. I searched for "extended" , "cranking" and "drain". Here's a previous post I made about the procedure. It is taken from the owners manual. The main concern is to give the starter time to cool down and not just keep cranking and cranking it without a rest.


    If the car sat for 9 months oil may have bled out of the MultiAir unit. Here's the procedure:


    1.If the engine fails to start within 10 seconds, turn the
    ignition switch to the STOP (OFF/LOCK) position,
    wait 5 seconds to allow the starter to cool, then repeat
    the Extended Park Starting procedure.
    2. If the engine fails to start after 8 attempts, allow the
    starter to cool for at least 10 minutes, then repeat the
    procedure.


    Note you may have to install a battery charger or jumper cables to the battery
    to ensure a full battery charge during the crank cycle.

    Also, you may want to hold the gas pedal to the floor to cut off the fuel supply while doing this for these cycles and then release the pedal and try again. That was in one of the factory manuals (the procedure has been updated a few times during the years).

    Another post from a thread. As you see, you may have to do a lot of tries.

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    after 30 tries finally works. thanks man save my life
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    hey everyone! thank you so much for the replies, it's been really helpful!

    To clarify, she's a 2012 sport, if i recall it was 83k miles. The car has been sitting at minimum since february 25, 2021 as thats when the towing company has their records for the paperwork given to me, however it's clearly been sitting much longer as the registration sticker is from february 2017!

    Just ordered a lot of parts from o'reily, put specific attention on the spark plugs and ordered the OEM ones from the manual. purchased oil, oil filter, coolant, new battery, and some tools I didn't have. I also purchased the coolant expansion tank cap since that was missing with the engine oil filler cap as well from ebay

    once all that is replaced, brake pads and rotors and fluid are definitely needing replacement, filters will be on that list as well. are there any other maintenance things I need to do at that mileage? timing belt for example

    Also, in the mean time, let me know of some worthwhile upgrades, obviously I don't want to put much in until I am certain this car is roadworthy again, but stuff like the apple car play/infotainment retrofit, dashcams, abarth swaps that kind of stuff. Even if this is for the girlfriend, the project is being done by me
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    Quote Originally Posted by djacinto View Post
    hey everyone! thank you so much for the replies, it's been really helpful!

    To clarify, she's a 2012 sport, if i recall it was 83k miles. The car has been sitting at minimum since february 25, 2021 as thats when the towing company has their records for the paperwork given to me, however it's clearly been sitting much longer as the registration sticker is from february 2017!

    Just ordered a lot of parts from o'reily, put specific attention on the spark plugs and ordered the OEM ones from the manual. purchased oil, oil filter, coolant, new battery, and some tools I didn't have. I also purchased the coolant expansion tank cap since that was missing with the engine oil filler cap as well

    once all that is replaced, brake pads and rotors and fluid are definitely needing replacement, filters will be on that list as well. are there any other maintenance things I need to do at that mileage? timing belt for example
    Sounds like you've got a good handle on what needs to be looked at. The cars need very basic maintenance. Timing belt is technically at 150K, but doing it a little sooner isn't a bad idea.

    The one thing that you may look into is changing the MultiAir filter. It is not in the normal mainatance schedule, but a some folks change it after 60K. Less of a need if the car has scrupulous oil changes, but if you get a car with an unknown history or was sitting, it would be one of the first things I'd change. Pretty easy depending on the car.

    Here are a bunch of threads tagged with MultiAir Filter

    Here's an excellent post from fast_dave from one of those threads. If you click on the arrow after fast_dave's name it will take you to the thread. Make sure you read the whole thread because it has some tricks in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by fast_dave View Post
    Even the best laid plan runs into an issue sometimes.

    Our 2012 N/A Sport has just hit 50,000 Miles, and I want to replace the Multi-Air Filter.

    I found the excellent NGEN Video on how to replace the filter, and have set aside two days just in case I ran into any issues.

    Boy let me tell you, I'm glad I hoped for the best, but prepared for the worst, because as things stand I am stuck...

    LINK to NGEN VIDEO - How To Replace Multi Ait Filter (go to 9 minutes 40 seconds):



    I followed the video instruction to a T - and when I got to the same point as 9:40 of the video - low and behold - I found out that the 500 Abarth (TURBO) engine mount pad & timing cover is VERY DIFFERENT than the N/A Engine Mount pad & timing cover...

    I asumed that on a plug & play car like the 500 - they would have standardized components such as the engine mount pad - WRONG!!!!

    In short - the TURBO engine mount pad & timing cover is flat and allows you a "straight shot" to easily place the turned end of an allen key directly into the multiair filter.

    On the N/A engine mount pad, the pad is NOT flat, and thus you cannot gain access to the multi air filter.

    In fact, the way it's designed, it's also not possible to fully remove the multiair filter.

    The way it stands, as far as I can figure this out - the combination "engine mount pad & timing cover" must be fully removed to gain unobstructed access to the multi-air filter.

    So, my question is, are there any clear pictures on the net (or videos) clearly showing how I can remove this "engine mount pad & timing cover" assembly? It looks like two bolts are on the radiator side, and two bolts on the firewall side - am I correct OR are there more?

    My plan is once the assembly is removed, I will grind the engine mount pad down flat - like a turbo model - so I can easily change the filter in the future.

    My pics are below.

    The first is a perspective photo to see the area I'm working.
    The second is with a screwdriver pointing to where the multi-air filter is.
    The third is to give perspective on how you can't get an allen key in, nor fully remove the multi-air filter.

    Thanks in advance -






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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    Sounds like you've got a good handle on what needs to be looked at. The cars need very basic maintenance. Timing belt is technically at 150K, but doing it a little sooner isn't a bad idea.

    The one thing that you may look into is changing the MultiAir filter. It is not in the normal mainatance schedule, but a some folks change it after 60K. Less of a need if the car has scrupulous oil changes, but if you get a car with an unknown history or was sitting, it would be one of the first things I'd change. Pretty easy depending on the car.

    Here are a bunch of threads tagged with MultiAir Filter

    Here's an excellent post from fast_dave from one of those threads. If you click on the arrow after fast_dave's name it will take you to the thread. Make sure you read the whole thread because it has some tricks in it.
    wow ok I will definitely put that on the list!

    I found this kit for the brakes on amazon, is this worth? I don't want to go balls to the wall with this, my daily, a bmw 4 series parts cost so much more so I'm afraid of overspending here. My cart from o'reily's for brake pads, rotors and fluid is at 311 while the kit from amazon is half that...

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    Don’t forget to replace the o-ring on top of the valve cover on the driver’s side. It’s right where the air/oil separator (AOS) attaches to the valve cover. It’s a major problem for oil leaks across the top of the valve cover and especially getting into the spark plug holes. The maintenance schedule says nothing about this. I replace mine every 30,000 miles during spark plug changes.
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