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    Fidgell, No I said that at 250 bhp it will be running close to the limits, on paper figures well beyond its factory limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC Motorsport View Post
    This 5 speed gearbox however is highly under-rated we have several customers running over 230 bhp through it for over 2 years now without issues. I hope that gives you a clearer understanding.
    Sorry, I read this at the start of this thread and thought you meant the gearbox had room to handle more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidgell View Post
    Sorry, I read this at the start of this thread and thought you meant the gearbox had room to handle more!
    No what I mean't was that there are several cars running around 230 bhp on them so far without problems but this is well beyond the official stated limits of the gearbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC Motorsport View Post
    No what I mean't was that there are several cars running around 230 bhp on them so far without problems but this is well beyond the official stated limits of the gearbox.
    Ok, but you think its better than than that? Thats good news. I cant see many going to the extreme mods and heading north of 230bhp but if theres room left on the box (in theory) then its a comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidgell View Post
    Ok, but you think its better than than that? Thats good news. I cant see many going to the extreme mods and heading north of 230bhp but if theres room left on the box (in theory) then its a comfort.
    Hi, its the 'in theory' bit I'm saying no to, in practice it seems to be ok but on paper its well past the stated limits.

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    Is there a Fiat declared max bhp for the box?

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    Rather than the max bhp, the max torque.

    Here are some info about the C510 manual gearbox :

    C510 Abarth
    Max torque: 206 Nm
    Lenght: 380 - 395 mm
    Weight: 36 Kg

    (I found these figures on the italian forum)

    Some people in Italy, after "heavy tuning" (Tjet engine over 200hp), changed the gearbox and bought a brand new Quaife

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    Quote Originally Posted by favadiaronne View Post
    Rather than the max bhp, the max torque.

    Here are some info about the C510 manual gearbox :

    C510 Abarth
    Max torque: 206 Nm
    Lenght: 380 - 395 mm
    Weight: 36 Kg

    (I found these figures on the italian forum)

    Some people in Italy, after "heavy tuning" (Tjet engine over 200hp), changed the gearbox and bought a brand new Quaife
    I know of several stock gearboxes running over 300nm with no problems after 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC Motorsport View Post
    I know of several stock gearboxes running over 300nm with no problems after 2 years.
    You're right TMC, I know lot of people running on the stock gearbox without any kind of problem. I just shared with the community the official (so they seem) data coming from fiat.

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    There was a question about the C510 posted to the Fiat engineers on this forum and their response was in this thread. http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showt...highlight=c510

    "Q: This begs a question Chris. The NA Abarth engine has max 230Nm and the C510 shows 206Nm max input torque. Is the C510 being built for us in Italy stronger? I've never heard of a transmission, stock from the factory, with the input torque already exceeded.

    Here is my understanding on these transmission figures I posted way back. The figures are a guideline used when selling the transmission to third parties.

    As is common in manufacturing a high performance car, the envelop is pushed to achieve higher levels of performance. However, these figures I published two years ago don't really tell the whole story. It is not a clear cut " apply 1 lbs-ft over this amount something is going to break." The figure is a calculated, and includes a test applying the full stated torque over 100,000 miles. With all the testing and abuse we've seen in Europe and in the US, I wouldn't worry about the transmission. You are not going to shear a crown gear by driving the car hard.

    Remember, cars with the ATM trans are running 200 hp, the difference is the auto clutch operation uses controlled engagement and takes the shock out of the gearbox. Probably the biggest factor in all this is how YOU drive your modified car.

    Abuse systems and everything is out the window. "

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