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    Quote Originally Posted by cmj912 View Post
    I was just trying to lighten the mood a little. I'm glad it diverted a bit. I took part of the weekend and looked up a lot of NHTSA versus IIHS results and they have gotten conflicting results more often than one would think.
    so in the end, its just what WE as owners care to believe. any consumers 'on the fence' about buying a 500 will now probably 'pass'. KUDOS to our U.S. Government and their "regulations".

    also, I would like to know how the smart passed the side impact tests with nothing but a thin outer plastic door panel, a 1" metal tube for a door reinforcement inside the door and another thin plastic interior door trim panel between the passengers and a car hitting them in the side? yes, they do have a side impact air bag, but still.......the occupants are VERY close the door and the door on the smart is very 'thin' in relation to the 500. so how is it the smart passes?

    does someone at the NHTSA not like Chrysler or FIAT? maybe a past owner of a K Car? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmj912 View Post
    I was just trying to lighten the mood a little. I'm glad it diverted a bit. I took part of the weekend and looked up a lot of NHTSA versus IIHS results and they have gotten conflicting results more often than one would think.
    Understandable! One cause of the variation is that NHTSA contracts out its testing. I was looking at the Ford Fiesta and it was done by the University of Wisconsin while the 500's test was done by Karco(I believe). I've not looked at the data any more because it was ticking me off. The passenger seat was not correctly according to NHTSA's own protocol in the front impact test. It is supposed to be set in the middle of the full travel of the seat. However you can't tell me when looking at the pretest footage that seat was in the middle of its travel and the seat back was in the full forward position where it defaults when you get in the back seat. Nobody in their right mind is going to sit in the car in that position its uncomfortable. If I were FIAT I would raise a stink until they re-tested the car with the seats in the proper position. Unlike the IIHS scores, the NHTSA scores go on the window sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blefevre View Post
    Go look at the detailed ratings. For FRONT passengers it is a 5 star side impact rating. It is 2 stars for REAR passengers in side impact.

    The frontal rating is a 4 star rating.

    Basically, if you don't have people in the back seat you are protected in a 4/5 star car. That 2 star rear seat side impact brought the entire rating down.
    I agree with Julie. This really is important for our little car. I think for most owners it is a one or two person hauler.
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    Yes, it is unfortunate.

    The NHTSA started with new testing procedures and I'm sure the car wasn't optimized for them.

    "NHTSA's new star-rating system should provide better information. Under the old system, most vehicles were racking up four or five stars in every category. The new system intends to be more discriminating.

    It's expected that many cars that had been earning five stars will earn only three under the new system. That's because NHTSA is now factoring in more injury parameters, has added more tests, and is including data from dummies representing a small adult female instead of just an average-sized adult male."
    consumer reports.org

    Of course the public in general and the media isn't going to remember you can't compare new results to the old ones.

    I think it is also important to remember this car has undergone many, many tests and performed very well. This is the only test, in the one seating position, where it fell short.

    The media is spinning this HARD, it's good to keep our perspective and not be brought down by them.
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    Absolutely, it just adds insult to injury to learn from Felnus that they don't even use the same company every time. The geek in all of us will remember that in science one controls and aligns as many factors as possible in order to get accurate results within the chosen variables.

    It doesn't help that the NHTSA video looks like it was made in the Middle East in 1978.

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    Chiming in a bit late, but it'd be interesting to know what priorities 500 owners had when deciding to purchase their vehicles - the typical categories: brand, price, fuel economy, quality, performance, safety, etc etc. Truth be told, for me, safety wasn't the deciding purchasing factor - I'd just assume it met all government regulations; if safety was the number one priority, I'd simply keep driving my overweight, gas guzzling Land Rover. And I'd say for some of us here, there were safer and cheaper alternatives that we chose to forego and instead bought the 500. So lamenting after the fact is kinda moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mpath View Post
    Chiming in a bit late, but it'd be interesting to know what priorities 500 owners had when deciding to purchase their vehicles - the typical categories: brand, price, fuel economy, quality, performance, safety, etc etc. Truth be told, for me, safety wasn't the deciding purchasing factor - I'd just assume it met all government regulations; if safety was the number one priority, I'd simply keep driving my overweight, gas guzzling Land Rover. And I'd say for some of us here, there were safer and cheaper alternatives that we chose to forego and instead bought the 500. So lamenting after the fact is kinda moot.
    Safety wasn't really the primary concern for me, either. I think I'm more bummed by the constant negativity that this just adds to.

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    Two of my vehicles are a Harley Road King Classic that has anti-lock brakes, the other is a '65 Beetle .... so safely? Not so much. OTOH, it is another negative that will reinforce current prejudices against small cars here in the US. I just don't know how many more hits FIAT can take with the 500.

    Man, this has been one messed up "launch" of a great car....

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    I have to correct myself. NHTSA's protocol is for the driver's seat to be located at the midpoint of the fore and aft travel. The passenger seat must be set in the position closest to the dash board. You know, nearest the high explosive charge. US Government in action. The flip side is that your passenger seat has a three star rating if it's in the worst position possible. If it is even with the driver's seat or even farther back it would probably score a five star rating.
    Last edited by Felnus; 12-12-2011 at 07:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mpath View Post
    Chiming in a bit late, but it'd be interesting to know what priorities 500 owners had when deciding to purchase their vehicles - the typical categories: brand, price, fuel economy, quality, performance, safety, etc etc. Truth be told, for me, safety wasn't the deciding purchasing factor - I'd just assume it met all government regulations; if safety was the number one priority, I'd simply keep driving my overweight, gas guzzling Land Rover. And I'd say for some of us here, there were safer and cheaper alternatives that we chose to forego and instead bought the 500. So lamenting after the fact is kinda moot.
    I did not think any car for sale in the US would have serious safety issues. This had nothing to do with my purchase of my Sport. If it had, I would have kept my GMC Suburbans. I felt very safe from crashes, but not very good as to our
    environment. So, we drive our Sport and a 2005 Mitsubishi SUV.

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