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Franchesca, the dirty little bitty. She's got a dead miss on #2 - Page 2
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    It sounds like you have a handle on it. When I go to the trouble of yanking a head, I generally grind and/or lap the valves and seats. As you know, lapping them in shows you how much contact the valve is making with the seat. It's the pits to reassemble an engine and have another valve fail. When I did the Mazda, #2 exhaust had failed. Lapping showed me the other exhausts and 2 intake valves were not making good contact. Perhaps those valves aren't bent, maybe just not seating fully.

    I'm also wondering if you can slip a thin feeler gauge between the intake valve and the brick. I haven't heard of anyone doing this but wouldn't it show that the brick isn't maintaining pressure on the valve, keeping it from fully closing? If you didn't have leak down fail on the other 3 cylinders previously, maybe the actuators are not fully releasing. As an alternative, maybe remove the brick and do another bleed test.

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    Yeah- I had to use one of my son's old nerf dart suction cups glued to a dowel... my old trusty valve lapping stick's smallest suction cup was way too large for these valves. LOL I have had that thing since I was a kid in the early 80s and worked on lawnmower engines, and never had this issue before. Those are some itty-bitty intake valves!
    The plan for the next time I start fiddling on her indeed will be to check the leakdown with the brick removed. That was the procedure I used when I verified it was bent intake valves on #2. I figured it was "along the way" as it were, so it only made sense. As soon as I pulled the brick and felt the way the valves were seating, it was apparent. They have a totally different feel while pushing off the seat when they're bent, and don't have that solid snap sound when closing. The leakdown test verified it.
    That's a great idea with the feeler gauge - I'll see what I can sneak in there. Hopefully today or this evening - it doesn't take long to pull the cam cover and brick.
    Thanks, everyone!

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    Thanks for the all the updates, kd- for us visual learners, any chance you snapped some photos of the process?

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    I do have a few, so when I finish everything, I'll post anything that looks useful of the disassembly process. I'm one of those who does better at writing a thousand words instead of stopping my workflow to take one picture Of course, assembly is the reverse of disassembly
    And, to answer another often asked question pertaining to cylinder head removal... you have a choice; either cut the intake manifold tab that bolts to the cam cover and then simply JB weld the guy back together (or omit it if you're feeling froggy) or disassemble the entire front end of the car and pull the engine. The only other option that I could perceive, if you have real long arms and are good at wrenching blind, you might be able to reach up around the axle shaft from underneath and unbolt the bolts you can't reach from the top on the intake manifold.
    -Matt

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    Frannie is running fine now. The issue was with the multiair brick. Evidently something within it was holding some of the valves open. I replaced it with the one I purchased from eBay, and all is well. I didn't even have any bent valves and I didn't need to re-time the camshaft. So now I have a crank and cam alignment kit, a head gasket, a camshaft housing gasket, a head bolt set, and six intake valves if anyone needs any. And then of course, the EVIC digital display decided to take a dump shortly after I got it running. That ended up being the ribbon cable inside of the gauge cluster. It was loose and had to be reseated. I see that this is also a common issue. Now that it's running, I also see that I need to replace the rear wheel bearings, and possibly the front ones as well. Sheesh, these things sure are not made to last. I don't have any assembly or disassembly pictures that would be very helpful. If anyone wants to know details on assembly or disassembly, let me know. I can write words to describe the procedure. The biggest thing to remember, lefty loosie righty tighty! If you have that concept down, it's pretty much common sense from there.

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