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    The Germans used to know how make cars.

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    They get a lot of mileage out of the good ol' propaganda left over from the war like "German Engineering".

    A bit of trivia is Road & Track in the 1970s said that Italian engineering was the equivalent of German engineering back then. I guess you could take that any way.
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    I think back in the 70s, the engineering was probably as good but where the Italians fell short was definitely on build quality and literally the quality of steel. My aunt had a 124 and it was a rust bucket inside of 3 years.

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    Yeah, that was fairly common to a lot of 70's cars. I was stationed in '77/78 in MA on the PA border. I grew up in Oregon, so it amazed me how quickly cars rotted out. There was a dude w/ a PU that had signs in the bed "Chevies are rotten". He said the truck was under 2 yo when the fenders started rotting away. I repaired my friend's Pinto wagon because rust prevented it from meeting inspection. The car was under 5 yo but 3 of that was parked in a garage while he served in Germany. The rear outer fender had rotted through. Although it posed no risk, they'd failed it for potential CO2 entering the cabin.

    In Oregon about the only rust we saw was from out-of-state cars, an occasional one with plugged body drains or Fisher Body cars. It was common for the rear windows to rot out since the design trapped water under the chrome. Those generally took a decade to rust through but we'd see some as early as 4 years, usually from the clips having chipped/scratched the brittle lacquer paint. Here the Fiats died of mechanical failure before they showed rust.

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    When I worked at the Chevy, Pontiac dealerships, back in the 70’s. Fiats came in as trade, they never made to the used car lot. They were always went to the whole sales lot. Rusted, mechanical issues. Mercedes vehicle, were featured, on the front point of the used car lot. Some of them were even place, on the new car show room floor. The dealership did highlight Porsches too. BMW’s were rust buckets also. We had all kind of fun cars trade in Avanti‘s, MG‘s, Lotus, VW Thing etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanintowson View Post
    I think back in the 70s, the engineering was probably as good but where the Italians fell short was definitely on build quality and literally the quality of steel. My aunt had a 124 and it was a rust bucket inside of 3 years.

    Yep, my best friend bought a new '71 124 Spider when he got back from Vietnam. When he brought it home, he found a rust bubble under the bumper. Back in 1978-79, Fiat had to buy back 1970-71 Fiat 850 and 1970-74 Fiat 124 models for rust. It was the first time a manufacturer had to do that. 180,000 cars were affected.

    Back in the 1970s, Fiat had huge labor issues. It was said that 100,000 new Fiats were sabotaged by workers at the plant. New Fiats that came to America had to undergo a 3 hour pre-delivery inspection where the head bolts needed to be retorques, valve clearances, wheel alignment and ever under carriage bolt needed to be checked. If the PDI check list was done conscientiously, you had a great car. If not, you had a car waiting to have problems. The sabotage is one of the reasons Fiat pioneered and became the leader in automotive robotic construction.


    The fact that I have the 124 Sport Coupe that I've always wanted is a miracle. People tell me there are probably less than 100 left in the country. There are still some 8,000 124 Spiders registered on US roads today, likely because of their higher price, collectable nature, limited use during bad weather and the better rustproofing later models received.

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    Yeah and Fiat was fined $1.6M in 1980 ($5.33M today) for cheating customers during the recall. Fiat's President (Claudio Ferrari) noted that Fiat was singled out and there was some truth to that. The company didn't allow for how much salt the cars would encounter in the US and the Fiats tended to rust away at suspension points... the cause for the case. The West coast (and Europe) exposed Fiats to less salt so had fewer rust problems. Instead they were able to last their full 75K mile life expectancy.

    Meanwhile, in Italy, a 47 yo Lancia made the news last week. Licensed and insured, it's mostly been used as a mailbox and parked on the street most of its life. The city decided to remove the parking space so the car was nearly sent for scrap but will now be "restored" and placed in a nearby display due to its popularity as a tourist attraction.

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    The limitations of pushing the envelope on technology is displayed in this example.

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