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Buyback bc of dead HV battery

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  • eletricento
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2018
    • 21

    Buyback bc of dead HV battery

    Dealer says HV Battery is bad. Still under warranty but they want to do a Buyback instead of replacing battery. Anyone else in this predicament? Is there any room for price negotiation? Do I have the option to repair it?

    A little background on the issue here:
    http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showt...ft-into-D-or-R
    Last edited by eletricento; 02-28-2021, 12:54 AM.
  • map
    Moderator
    • Dec 2018
    • 3701

    #2
    That makes sense on Fiat's side, since the battery will cost over $30K to install.
    Battery kit. Hybrid. Pack, related, st, hv. 2018 Fiat 500E 83 kW Electric Motor BATTERY ELECTRIC. Genuine Fiat Part - 68454377AA (68237834AA, 68237834AB, 68237834AD, 68237834AE, 68237834AF). Ships from Libertyville IL

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    • aelfwyne
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2014
      • 1679

      #3
      Originally posted by map
      That makes sense on Fiat's side, since the battery will cost over $30K to install.
      https://www.mymoparpart.com/p/Fiat_2...8454377AA.html
      I'm sorry that is just insulting.... they're basically making cars to be throwaway items at this rate.
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      • BigDaddySRT
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 2008

        #4
        Originally posted by aelfwyne
        I'm sorry that is just insulting.... they're basically making cars to be throwaway items at this rate.
        FCA lost money on every single 500e produced. $20 says that same rationale is continuing with the "new" 500e.
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        • smark
          • Apr 2014
          • 4936

          #5
          Electrocento, I thought the 500EV batteries, had a 8 year 80K mile warranty on them. If you not head over heals loan wise. Let them buy the car back, at the current market value. Go out, and purchase another 500e of equal cost, and mileage. Lots of good used ones, out there, to choose from.

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          Good Luck, on what ever decision you make.
          Last edited by smark; 02-28-2021, 10:16 AM.

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          • ElectricTireShredder
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2020
            • 509

            #6
            Battery shows as $1149.50 here, list price $1745:

            2013 500e has been my only car since 2015.

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            • map
              Moderator
              • Dec 2018
              • 3701

              #7
              I remember that listing, also. That fits the 2013 only... not sure what the difference is in the mounting or why the huge price difference. I think there's been a major price increase recently?

              For the 2014+, that site shows a similar cost, but you can purchase a rebuilt battery for $4K ($6100 at the dealer). https://www.mymoparpart.com/a/Fiat_2.../i2304238.html

              I don't know if the dealer would install a rebuilt pack. There is also the option of sending the existing battery off to one of the rebuild shops.
              Last edited by map; 02-28-2021, 04:20 PM.

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              • smark
                • Apr 2014
                • 4936

                #8
                Originally posted by map
                I remember that listing, also. That fits the 2013 only... not sure what the difference is in the mounting or why the huge price difference. I think there's been a major price increase recently?

                For the 2014+, that site shows a similar cost, but you can purchase a rebuilt battery for $4K ($6100 at the dealer). https://www.mymoparpart.com/a/Fiat_2.../i2304238.html

                I don't know if the dealer would install a rebuilt pack. There is also the option of sending the existing battery off to one of the rebuild shops.
                If anything it will be a brand new battery pack, off the self. With maybe, another 8 year, 80K mile warranty. Plus labor to install. I really don’t think anyone rebuilds these battery packs. What ever good Used batteries go off to other uses.

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                • ElectricTireShredder
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2020
                  • 509

                  #9
                  Original warranty is 8y/100k by law. They have no reason to extend that if replaced. Reportedly FIAT rebuilds all the warranty returns, using the good cells from other returned packs & then shipping them back as replacements. There's also at least one shop in Europe that imports them & rebuilds the packs as needed (sometimes a cell gone too low-voltage in transit). Most reports I've seen are like 3 bad cells, meaning 94 good ones, so well worth rebuilding.

                  If anything there should be a price drop, as battery costs have supposedly gone down about 85% since 2013.

                  Home rebuild of "bad" pack. Fixed coolant leak & it was fine:

                  8cluster_replaced.jpg


                  Dealership installing warranty unit. Someone said the part #s show it as rebuilt:

                  20190626_174828.jpg20190626_174838_HDR.jpg
                  Last edited by ElectricTireShredder; 02-28-2021, 05:31 PM.
                  2013 500e has been my only car since 2015.

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                  • map
                    Moderator
                    • Dec 2018
                    • 3701

                    #10
                    Originally posted by smark
                    If anything it will be a brand new battery pack, off the self. With maybe, another 8 year, 80K mile warranty. Plus labor to install. I really don’t think anyone rebuilds these battery packs. What ever good Used batteries go off to other uses.
                    I don't know if anyone outside Fiat still rebuilds packs (for profit) but when I was looking for a 500e (3 years ago) there were at least 3 shops you could send the batts to.

                    Yes, Fiat sells rebuilt packs. Part# 68454380AA as opposed to 68454377AA for new. Most rebuilt packs had a 1 or 2 year warranty... not sure what Fiat offers. I thought the rebuilt packs were what Fiat was putting in as warranty packs... at least what I read on one of the forums.
                    Last edited by map; 02-28-2021, 06:34 PM.

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                    • smark
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 4936

                      #11
                      Originally posted by map
                      Yes, Fiat sells (or sold) rebuilt packs. Part# 68454380AA
                      That’s $4k Wow!. Plus installation labor.



                      This one is much cheaper.....





                      I’d take the buy out, and run.

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                      • ElectricTireShredder
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 509

                        #12
                        That second, cheaper link is the same one I sent earlier, which was later noted as 2013-only, so it might not fit this thread's 2014.

                        I believe the first pic I attached cost the owner almost nothing but his own labor. Just one small seal that was leaking.

                        Second pic cost $0, including installation labor, all covered by warranty.

                        IF the price was right I'd take the buy out too, & run to get another one. After all, as one of the very few owners ever having a battery failure, odds are even better for not having it happen to you twice!
                        Last edited by ElectricTireShredder; 03-01-2021, 03:31 PM.
                        2013 500e has been my only car since 2015.

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                        • qorray
                          Member
                          • Jan 2020
                          • 72

                          #13
                          Wow, makes sense though due to cost. At least you have a solution, consider yourself lucky. Next question is there buyback offer at least any good, I hope so and will make them look good for standing by the 500e. +1 take it and run....

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                          • PLP
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2016
                            • 602

                            #14
                            Originally posted by eletricento
                            Dealer says HV Battery is bad. Still under warranty but they want to do a Buyback instead of replacing battery. Anyone else in this predicament? Is there any room for price negotiation? Do I have the option to repair it?

                            A little background on the issue here:
                            http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showt...ft-into-D-or-R
                            So what are the condition of buy back?

                            Maybe it is worth of you to sell them the car and get another one?


                            Because so far you provided nothing about how they want to proceed and everyone is speculating now.
                            If they offer you what you paid for (for example you got a great deal at 5'000 OTD), it would be bad... but if they offer MSRP minus wear due to miles driven - that might be a great deal.

                            So come back with numbers and we can think of it.

                            You may get some used battery and get it replaced. Talk to your dealer, maybe they are more helpful. Maybe some guys run their own shops or a friend of a friend...

                            Unless you thought with them and all bridges are burnt now.
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                            • rkw
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 473

                              #15
                              What exactly are the options? If you decline the buyback, they must do the warranty repair?

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