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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    From a Motor Trend article, looking back at the Camaro SS-350 "How'd the hot-shot SS-350 go? Zip to 60 mph in 8.0 sec, with the quarter mile coming up in 15.4 sec at 90 mph. Gas mileage? We estimated in the 12-13-mpg range." Their review of a 2012 Abarth, "At the dragstrip, we recorded a 0-60-mph time of 6.8 seconds and a 15.3-second quarter-mile run with a trap speed of 89.8 mph."

    On the other hand, in order to get 8 MPG a car had to be in really bad shape or the engine in a really heavy vehicle. Granted, my '56 Chevy got 5 MPG, but it had 390 gears (about 65 MPH max), and our 454 powered PU w/ 11' camper got 8, but most 60's cars were capable of 12-15 w/ a V8.
    My old 1970 Camaro, SS 350 seemed fast at the time. Compared to new cars today. Extremely slow. A new Ram truck with a hemi engine, is 0-60 in 3.6 sec. Fuel economy at 9mpg, same as the Camaro. The car handing the twisty back roads. They called the Camaro, the hugger. Nothing like the exhaust note of Chevrolet small block engine. This web page I just pulled up mentioned. The Z/28 0-60 5.8 seconds. I curious if that was the big block 396 cubic inches. Loved the mechanical linkage feel, of the Muncie 4 speed transmission. Lighting up the Poly glass rear tires.

    https://www.zeroto60times.com/1970s-car-0-60-specs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    From a Motor Trend article, looking back at the Camaro SS-350 "How'd the hot-shot SS-350 go? Zip to 60 mph in 8.0 sec, with the quarter mile coming up in 15.4 sec at 90 mph. Gas mileage? We estimated in the 12-13-mpg range." Their review of a 2012 Abarth, "At the dragstrip, we recorded a 0-60-mph time of 6.8 seconds and a 15.3-second quarter-mile run with a trap speed of 89.8 mph."

    On the other hand, in order to get 8 MPG a car had to be in really bad shape or the engine in a really heavy vehicle. Granted, my '56 Chevy got 5 MPG, but it had 390 gears (about 65 MPH max), and our 454 powered PU w/ 11' camper got 8, but most 60's cars were capable of 12-15 w/ a V8.
    There was a reason I was a dedicated Mopar man back in the day:

    1969 Plymouth Road Runner 0-60
    The following are all the published 0-60 times for the 383, 440, and 426 Hemi published by magazines back in 1969.

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    383 7.3
    440 Six Pack N/A
    426 Hem i 5.1


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    I read somewhere the reason Mopar dropped the Hemi motor was that it cost more to build than the 440 and the 440 was a few tenths quicker in the quarter. I don't know quarter mile times of the 440 6 pack. I know it was fast. My cousin had the 69 1/2 440 6 pack Road Runner and it was quick.

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    One thing to remember back in the old days when they did acceleration runs is the heavy equipment and / or having a passenger record the times. Maybe not a big deal in a 4,000 lbs car, but in a small car like a Fiat it made a difference.
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    The other problem with the 60's cars is you didn't have the tires we have today. You could waste most of your power in that first half second just in smoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    The other problem with the 60's cars is you didn't have the tires we have today. You could waste most of your power in that first half second just in smoke.
    This. The old bias-ply tires did not have the grip that we take for granted today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    From a Motor Trend article, looking back at the Camaro SS-350 "How'd the hot-shot SS-350 go? Zip to 60 mph in 8.0 sec, with the quarter mile coming up in 15.4 sec at 90 mph. Gas mileage? We estimated in the 12-13-mpg range." Their review of a 2012 Abarth, "At the dragstrip, we recorded a 0-60-mph time of 6.8 seconds and a 15.3-second quarter-mile run with a trap speed of 89.8 mph."

    On the other hand, in order to get 8 MPG a car had to be in really bad shape or the engine in a really heavy vehicle. Granted, my '56 Chevy got 5 MPG, but it had 390 gears (about 65 MPH max), and our 454 powered PU w/ 11' camper got 8, but most 60's cars were capable of 12-15 w/ a V8.
    OTOH I usually get over 40 mpg on my daily commute in the Abarth.

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    Take a look at the engine in an Abarth. It's so far beyond any engine back then in technology and construction - yes, it's only tuned for 160hp, but nobody had anything like that. Now it's a street engine on a fairly cheap car. And of course there are many other machines out there with even wilder outputs. There simply is no comparison, in that the engines of the present time are so much more than what was available in the glory days of the 60's and 70's, and so are the vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shabba View Post
    This. The old bias-ply tires did not have the grip that we take for granted today.
    There wasn’t much rubber left on my 6.6 liter Trans Am, either. With the first generation steel belted radials. Same with fuel in the tank, after driving hard. The over 3,000 pound car, had 0-60 in the 6.5 sec. numbers. The Oldsmobile engine was de turned too.

    The thing about those muscle car now. There in big demand now. You can Retro fit those vehicles with modern suspension, engines, fuel injections, tires etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    There wasn’t much rubber left on my 6.6 liter Trans Am, either. With the first generation steel belted radials. Same with fuel in the tank, after driving hard. The over 3,000 pound car, had 0-60 in the 6.5 sec. numbers. The Oldsmobile engine was de turned too.

    The thing about those muscle car now. There in big demand now. You can Retro fit those vehicles with modern suspension, engines, fuel injections, tires etc.

    Those modern tires make a huge difference but updating that old worn suspension AND tires? I'd be curious what the times would be with those changes versus the original stuff.
    -Colin

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