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    the reference entry refers to AT and dual dry clutch transmission. The North American automatic is a standard 6 speed Aislin torque converter automatic. There has never been a dual clutch model in the US, only in Europe. There is a difference between the oil pan to transmission mounting bolts on the automatic and the manual. I know this because I bought a Prometeo oil pan for my 2016 auto Abarth and discovered that I can't install it without removing the engine and transmission from the car and separating them to access some oil pan bolts that are different than the manual transmission setup where they are accessible from behind the flywheel cover. This may not be a problem for your install, or it may be as simple as swapping your manual trans oil pan to the new block. The automatic engine has a few less horses, but more torque than the manual motor; this may simply be a matter of ECU programming though.

    I looked at the picture of the donor car in your link and it's not a Fiat 500, but a 500L.
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    As Hermiabarth stated, no dual clutch for the US. You will need to swap over just about everything from your manual engine to the new 500L engine. Engine Mounts, AC, Alternator and bracket, Timing belt covers, AOS, Oil cooler assembly, coolant pipes and hoses, turbo and manifold, intake manifold, crank position sensor, engine harness, remove auto transmission adapter mount from new engine, etc. Plan on it taking longer than you expect. Torque specs for some bolts can be hard to come by. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermiabarth View Post
    the reference entry refers to AT and dual dry clutch transmission. The North American automatic is a standard 6 speed Aislin torque converter automatic. There has never been a dual clutch model in the US, only in Europe. There is a difference between the oil pan to transmission mounting bolts on the automatic and the manual. I know this because I bought a Prometeo oil pan for my 2016 auto Abarth and discovered that I can't install it without removing the engine and transmission from the car and separating them to access some oil pan bolts that are different than the manual transmission setup where they are accessible from behind the flywheel cover. This may not be a problem for your install, or it may be as simple as swapping your manual trans oil pan to the new block. The automatic engine has a few less horses, but more torque than the manual motor; this may simply be a matter of ECU programming though.

    I looked at the picture of the donor car in your link and it's not a Fiat 500, but a 500L.
    The 2014 500L and I believe some of the Dodge Darts came with the dual clutch.

    However as long as it's the H vin, then it will work. The one in the 124 is different, but I don't think it has the H VIN. If it does, it's different
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    Quote Originally Posted by aelfwyne View Post
    The 2014 500L and I believe some of the Dodge Darts came with the dual clutch.

    However as long as it's the H vin, then it will work. The one in the 124 is different, but I don't think it has the H VIN. If it does, it's different
    Interesting - I did not know that. I wonder if a 500L dual clutch could be fitted to a North American Abarth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermiabarth View Post
    Interesting - I did not know that. I wonder if a 500L dual clutch could be fitted to a North American Abarth?
    Probably not, it would need the computer side to shift it. Plus it's likely larger and space is at a premium on the 500 Chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermiabarth View Post
    Interesting - I did not know that. I wonder if a 500L dual clutch could be fitted to a North American Abarth?
    Nope. The drivers side frame rail.

    That's also why the North American FIAT 500 couldn't have the Six Speed Manual Gearbox.
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