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    Much easier to control emissions on one power plant than 1,000,000 individual gas engine cars. Food for thought.
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    Tesla has built a system. You can drive one clear across the country. Super chargers everywhere. That’s why their the only successful manufacture of EV’s so far.
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    Electricity to power an EV is a fungible commodity. For instance, look at these two maps from 2009 and 2018 showing the gas mileage a gasoline car has to get to equal an EV footprint.

    https://digg.com/2018/electric-car-efficiency-map

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    Tesla has built a system. You can drive one clear across the country. Super chargers everywhere. That’s why their the only successful manufacture of EV’s so far.
    You can. I can. WE cannot. You miss the difference between making an nice EV and running the automotive transportation system with EVs. In reality the installed charging capacity is miniscule, and even now the grid cannot supply those few rapid charging stations with enough power for all connections (and the losses are great for rapid charging).

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    Much easier to control emissions on one power plant than 1,000,000 individual gas engine cars. Food for thought.
    Even more important, those emissions happen somewhere else, where the EV driver doesn't have to experience them.
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    Tesla supercharger facts, here in NA, Europe, Middle East, and Asia.

    https://www.tesla.com/supercharger

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    IMO, it'll be years before EVs are popular in the US. EV sales are steadily increasing, but 2019 sales were about 1.8% of all cars, up from 2018's 1.7%. The grid will have time to expand to meet the slow increase in EVs, as it did for increases in home usage. (1950 to 2010, per capita electric use increased every year.)

    Good points about charging times vs fuel pumps... one of the reasons I began looking at EVs. My neighbor arrives home, plugs in the car, and goes inside... 20 seconds? Meanwhile I'm going half a mile out of my way and waiting behind a SUV who decides he needs a 44 ouncer and a couple Slim Jims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    IMO, it'll be years before EVs are popular in the US. EV sales are steadily increasing, but 2019 sales were about 1.8% of all cars, up from 2018's 1.7%. The grid will have time to expand to meet the slow increase in EVs, as it did for increases in home usage. (1950 to 2010, per capita electric use increased every year.)
    And the majority of those sales are in California. Just a couple of moths ago, the Mode Y came out, and now they're everywhere.

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    Good points about charging times vs fuel pumps... one of the reasons I began looking at EVs. My neighbor arrives home, plugs in the car, and goes inside... 20 seconds? Meanwhile I'm going half a mile out of my way and waiting behind a SUV who decides he needs a 44 ouncer and a couple Slim Jims.
    Haha. It's true. You have a point, I'm seeing these 500e's now just pop up out of nowhere. I used to see a lot of manual Pop's around, but now they're all 500e's. My mom wanted a 500e when she was looking at 500's, but she said no to it because of the 84 mile range, even though she pays double per month for the ICE 500, it has saved us a lot time especially when it takes $20 of premium, and within 5 minutes we have an over 150 mile range. What's even the point of electric cars then? It would be even better if her car got at least 27 mpg like it should, but it still gets 22 mpg. We are going to put in a K&N air filter in soon so I hope that brings it up a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    IMO, it'll be years before EVs are popular in the US. EV sales are steadily increasing, but 2019 sales were about 1.8% of all cars, up from 2018's 1.7%. The grid will have time to expand to meet the slow increase in EVs, as it did for increases in home usage. (1950 to 2010, per capita electric use increased every year.)

    Good points about charging times vs fuel pumps... one of the reasons I began looking at EVs. My neighbor arrives home, plugs in the car, and goes inside... 20 seconds? Meanwhile I'm going half a mile out of my way and waiting behind a SUV who decides he needs a 44 ouncer and a couple Slim Jims.
    Again, it works for a few people at a low percentage of adoption, but cannot be extended to higher rates of EV usage. I've been designing equipment for the electric power grid for over 30 years, essentially helping to build the Smart Grid. What is the Smart Grid? Well, we couldn't afford to increase the capacity of generation and T&D, so we figured we'd overlay a high speed control system so we could push the old system to a higher percentage of it's capacity for a greater percentage of time. When you push an old system really hard all the time it leads to something called "catastrophic failure" - and that was our plan prior to EVs, which would be the biggest increase in power load of all time.

    So yeah, for a few charging on the off time works fine. Extended to many, that means there's no cool down time for old transformers, lines and other equipment the current flows through, and less time for maintenance that isn't getting done now.
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    I live in a modern city, there aren’t any black outs etc. Our electric company here, last year was offer free changing. If you purchase a EV. Tesla 3’s everywhere. Charging station at all the major public parks, shopping centers, grocery stores, car dealership that sell EV’s. Our realtor who just sold us our new home. Bought a white Tesla’s 3 a couple months. She travel all across the city here. Showing and selling home. She loves that fact not wasting money, on gas. The old neighbor across the street, family of 4, leasing their gull wing Tesla’s . They took a road trip, from the midwest, to Los Angeles. Not a problem changing the vehicle at all.

    Fiat was extremely smart, offer the next generation. Only in EV form. Makes prefect sense. Hope the Technology triples down to the rest of the FCA brand.
    During the pandemic lock down, here in the states. Our major cities actual had clean skies. LA actually had blue skies. From lack of ICE vehicle traffic. Polluting the air. You can continue to live under a rock. EV’s are here to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    I live in a modern city, there arent any black outs etc. Our electric company here, last year was offer free changing. If you purchase a EV. Tesla 3s everywhere. Charging station at all the major public parks, shopping centers, grocery stores, car dealership that sell EVs. Our realtor who just sold us our new home. Bought a white Teslas 3 a couple months. She travel all across the city here. Showing and selling home. She loves that fact not wasting money, on gas. The old neighbor across the street, family of 4, leasing their gull wing Teslas . They took a road trip, from the midwest, to Los Angeles. Not a problem changing the vehicle at all.

    Fiat was extremely smart, offer the next generation. Only in EV form. Makes prefect sense. Hope the Technology triples down to the rest of the FCA brand.
    During the pandemic lock down, here in the states. Our major cities actual had clean skies. LA actually had blue skies. From lack of ICE vehicle traffic. Polluting the air. You can continue to live under a rock. EVs are here to stay.
    As long as the FED/State governments offer incentives to get that $10k price overhead down, then numbers should increase. But there's no way I'd pay $42k for a Bolt vs. $22k for an Abarth. And, rapid charging is the real hurdle. That, and battery recycling/warranties.
    Our neighbor bought a Volt, then upgraded to a Bolt. Two years in, her batteries started to fail, returning sub-par driving lengths. GM tried to weasel out, telling her that her driving habits were the cause. She drives like a granny, charges between midnight and 6am, and doesn't travel more than 100 miles a week. After much arguing and evidence to the contrary, GM finally reneged and changed out the battery pack.
    That king of corporate response won't help EV's adoption. Maybe TESLA is better....but you sure pay a price.
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