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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    A hybrid vehicle cannot run efficient without the hybrid battery. They need the large battery to start them. The owners must invest in new hybrid batteries periodically, which can make vehicle maintenance expensive. Fortunately, hybrid technology is always evolving. Modern batteries are more resilient than their older counterparts. Modern hybrid batteries, are good for 300k miles. Our Honda Insight would run without the large battery. My good friend worked for Toyota, Lexus, and Scion head quarters. Chief warranty advisor. A Prius cannot run without his large main battery.

    Tesla batteries are designed to last between 300,000 and 500,000 miles, so replacement shouldn't be a major concern for most drivers. During that time, battery capacity will degrade in the sense that the range the battery can provide for driving will decrease slowly. 80% battery life capacity at 500,000.

    Why wouldn’t a EV last.

    A series hybrid is useless without a battery, while a parallel hybrid is not. Nonetheless this is a strawman argument, as the issue was not about having no battery. A parallel hybrid can function fine with a fairly highly degraded battery, but an EV with similarly battery degradation would become pretty useless. Do you know of anyone who has replaced the batteries in a hybrid?

    Once the battery is degraded, then all the other systems of the EV - brakes, suspension, body, interior, etc, can be perfectly fine but the car is of no value because it has no range. And the cost of fixing that is prohibitive so the vehicle is disposed of.

    Batteries have a finite lifetime (actually it degrades over time depending on the chemistry), but cannot be economically replaced like other parts. I place as much stock in Tesla's battery life claims as I do in everything else Musk says. My dad has a hybrid and an EV, and the batteries are noticeably degrading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincenze View Post
    The 500e cost over $30,000 when it was new.
    Now, you can get a 15k-mile 500e for $8,000-9,000.

    A 15k-mile gasoline 500 Pop costs $11,000 while a new one was $16,000.

    All your savings mean nothing when the battery is old.

    Tesla sold 367,500 cars in 2019, a new record for the company. That’s quite a few EV‘s.

    The company delivered 88,400 vehicles in Q1 of 2020, down from the fourth quarter of 2019, when Tesla shipped around 112,000 vehicles.

    Tesla said it delivered 124,100 of its Models 3 and Y vehicles and 15,200 of its Models S and X vehicles. Tesla has said it expects to deliver 500,000 vehicles in 2020, or a 36 percent increase over 2019.

    Fiat get on board, please import the new 500e here.

    Last edited by smark; 11-12-2020 at 02:50 PM.

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