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    Examining the Fiat 500 NHTSA crash test and its questionable results:

    http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/12/fi...rash-test.html

    I've met with some folks at the IIHS and the take away from the conversation is they really do not like small cars. There is a bias there and I wouldn't be surprised if a bias sneaks into the bureaucrats at the NHTSA. As a small car enthusiast, I was taken aback, but I shouldn't have been surprised with the "bigger is better" mentality.

    Here are bunches of stories and pictures on Fiat safety here: http://www.fiat500usa.com/search/label/Safety
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    Those 500 crash reviews, were done way back in 2011. The small overlap crash testing, I believe the IIHS started testing around 2015. About that time, is when the automotive Manufactures. Started to upgraded their Frontal, body structures on their cars.

    One of our 2015 Honda’s, had a manufacture, recall on it. To upgrade the frontal structure to meet the small overlap crash test.

    The Fiat 500 was designed, back in 2005-2006. For European automotive safety standard. Fiat Upgraded some of the 500’s safety body Structure, to meant North America Safety ones. Both in the front and the rear. The 500 dated body structure could never, pass the small overlap crash testing. That potion of crash testing was the only one, the 500 failed poorly. All the other safety test 500, did Extremely well. There are a lot of larger cars, SUV’s, and trucks. That failed that test too. Those vehicles are still roaming the roads here today. The 2020 500L failed poor too.




    The Driver-side small overlap frontal test. This crash test is a challenge for some safety belt and airbag designs because occupants move both forward and toward the side of the vehicle. In the driver-side small overlap frontal test, a vehicle travels at 40 mph toward a 5-foot-tall rigid barrier.

    2020 safety tests......

    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/small
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    Yes, a lot of extra work went into making the US 500 safer than the (older) Euro model. Fiat500USA covers the original release in one of his early articles. At the time it was safer than the Mini. IIHS began small overlap testing in 2012, after the 500's design was finalized, but Fiat had anticipated the need for improvements to help keep drivers safer.

    US Fiat 500 Earns Top Safety Scores

    http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/10/us...ty-scores.html

    Much of the challenge in making a small car safer is the limited crumple zone up front. Fiat took the challenge very seriously. In Fiat500USA's 2009 articles, he further explains how safety was improved.
    http://www.fiat500usa.com/2009/06/fiat-test.html
    http://www.fiat500usa.com/2009/07/ne...-how-fiat.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfPint View Post
    Yeah, it's total BS to be conflating these two things. The avoidance system has nothing at all to do with the safety of the vehicle once it gets in a crash. A 1920 Model T is perfectly safe at 80mph as long as you don't hit anything.
    lol Yeah and it depends on what system the car has. They vary from a chirp, to taking control of the car. In 1988, IIHS says the systems can reduce the chances of collision (or reduce severity) significantly. I'm reminded of the Tesla systems that tried to cause accidents, mostly when traffic lines on the road weren't erased after road repair. One guy, letting the car auto-drive, was steered into a barrier. Another driver (hands on the wheel this time) complained his car tried to steer to the freeway edge every morning on his commute.

    The systems are too new to know how many crashes are avoided, so I'm not sure how they collect their data. Maybe the people who buy these cars are safer drivers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aelfwyne View Post
    If you actually put down the damned phone and keep your eyes on the road, "crash avoidance systems" aren't that necessary, and won't make the car any safer. But I guess if you want to be able to drive blindfolded, they're useful.
    I'll agree with you up to a point. I'm afraid old age and slowing reflexes make these things helpful tools to 'happy motoring'. Being a little North of 74 perhaps gives me a different perspective. My 2019 CX5 Grand Touring has at least a couple of them and I don't find them intrusive at all.
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    For those who were wondering why the the 500 was knocked down for passenger safety by the NHTSA, look at how close the passenger seat was positioned. No human being would position the seat that close to the dashboard. The NHTSA should update their seat positioning guidelines to suit how a real person sits in a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post


    For those who were wondering why the the 500 was knocked down for passenger safety by the NHTSA, look at how close the passenger seat was positioned. No human being would position the seat that close to the dashboard. The NHTSA should update their seat positioning guidelines to suit how a real person sits in a car.
    That’s a 2011 test. Before the small overlap testing. There are more update IIHS 500 safety test. Where it affects the drivers side. The passenger is sitting really to close to the dashboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    That’s a 2011 test. Before the small overlap testing. There are more update IIHS 500 safety test. Where it affects the drivers side. The passenger is sitting really to close to the dashboard.
    Sure, I know that. I'm just talking about this particular NHTSA test.
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