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    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    I believe home charging is the largest barrier. Large percentages of the population do not live in a single family home with enough garage space to plug in their vehicle. People live in apartments, townhomes and condos without garages or even adjacent parking. Even living in a community with large garages people prefer to leave their $100,000 Range Rover in the driveway and keep their garage full of $500 of "stuff" they never use
    We've looked at going electric, but we'd have to have our service upgraded from 100amp to 200amp, which would cost between $2k and $3k depending on surprises. Plus, kWh high prices in SoCal are .47 cents per during summer months, although you can charge overnight for maybe half that? Still, the charging would bump you up to always being in the highest of three tiers, so your overall bill would increase significantly
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    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    I believe home charging is the largest barrier. Large percentages of the population do not live in a single family home with enough garage space to plug in their vehicle. People live in apartments, townhomes and condos without garages or even adjacent parking. Even living in a community with large garages people prefer to leave their $100,000 Range Rover in the driveway and keep their garage full of $500 of "stuff" they never use
    Good points. Home ownership is up to about 2/3, with 1/3 owning their home outright. Of those, it's hard to say how many have influence or money enough to modify a house for high speed charging. (Many of those adults are children or parents of the owners.) It's also off because some "owners" are in multi-family dwellings. Home ownership is also lower on the West coast and in big cities, where an EV is more desirable.

    My friend rents and has owned EVs (of various sizes) for decades. It can be a bit like owning a pet; many houses/apartments aren't suitable for his car. When renting, it meant charging outdoors at 110V. Moving to an apartment meant finding one with an outlet in the parking garage and limiting his choice to an apartment with a parking space near the outlet. They recently installed a pay-for charging kiosk nearby, but the cost is higher than gasoline for the same range.

    Personally, I'm in a situation somewhat like tvmaster's. Our rates are low (under 6 cents) but the house was designed for low energy use... about 1300 kWh/month when heating w/ electricity. They wired it with a 150A cable in 1978, not expecting high future demands. I added a 20A 110V circuit for charging my "toys" back in the 90's, but rewiring for a high speed charging station might over tax the system. I replaced the inside panel/wiring a few years back but dropping a new line to the house would be really expensive. ($6K to $8K was quoted about a decade ago.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFiat View Post
    This EV trend does bring up an interesting question though. What would be the impediments to a universally acceptable electric car?

    Seems to me the emissions/environmental concerns have been successfully addressed. Safety issues have been pretty much homogenized, so that shouldn't present much of a problem these days. Am I missing anything else from a technical standpoint?

    If the above is true, quite likely the only other roadblock to an individuals access to vehicles from another country would simply be political B---S---. From a personal viewpoint, a vehicle like the LaPrima would be an interesting choice for someone like myself with messed up eyesight.
    There is a practical issue of the high cost to fully certify a car for import (and it must be repeated every model year), but there are no real issues from a technical standpoint.

    The reason the new 500e won't be imported is that small cars have sold so poorly in the US for over a decade. This has impacted not just Fiat but also other brands such as Mini Cooper. Americans have stopped buying small cars. If Fiat releases an electric crossover in Europe (like a 500X), there is some chance it might come to the US, but not a small model like 500e. This is the reality of the marketplace in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    I believe home charging is the largest barrier. Large percentages of the population do not live in a single family home with enough garage space to plug in their vehicle. People live in apartments, townhomes and condos without garages or even adjacent parking. Even living in a community with large garages people prefer to leave their $100,000 Range Rover in the driveway and keep their garage full of $500 of "stuff" they never use
    This.

    Until there is some kind of financial incentive (other than "free market") for landlords and workplaces to install charging stations for those who live/work in those areas, then it's just not ever going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkw View Post
    There is a practical issue of the high cost to fully certify a car for import (and it must be repeated every model year), but there are no real issues from a technical standpoint.

    The reason the new 500e won't be imported is that small cars have sold so poorly in the US for over a decade. This has impacted not just Fiat but also other brands such as Mini Cooper. Americans have stopped buying small cars. If Fiat releases an electric crossover in Europe (like a 500X), there is some chance it might come to the US, but not a small model like 500e. This is the reality of the marketplace in the US.
    Sure, I understand the the U.S. marketplace but some of us contrarians still prefer smaller or more unusual vehicles and we can't get them. The point I was trying to make is that a zero emissions vehicle built to high safety standards should be made available to anyone, anywhere who was willing to buy one.

    Will it ever happen? Quite likely not. I know that. Too many onerous regulations in the way. Still It's a fun thing to dream about. Modern technology is creating safe, clean transport options. Perhaps modernizing the regulations that prevent us from acquiring these creations should be the next challenge. Just an opinion for what it's worth.

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    There is still hope, if CARB continues. By 2025, 22% will need to meet ZEV requirements. There are 4 types, but BEV and Fuel Cell are the easiest way to meet credits as ZEV. 50 miles range is .5 credit, and >350 miles is 4 credits. For a Leaf, 2 credits would be earned. Basically, some ZEV cars are likely to be produced by each manufacturer. They may not be models you like, but at least will probably be available, or each company will bid on credits from a different manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    I really like the new 500. It's just too much of a lifestyle change and the inconvenience factor is just too much for me to overcome.
    Could it be? FCA coming to Sergio Marchionnes country to build.....electric cars. Yes please, How about a 500?
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winds...kers-1.5763004
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post
    Could it be? FCA coming to Sergio Marchionnes country to build.....electric cars. Yes please, How about a 500?
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winds...kers-1.5763004
    One problem... can you hold out that long?

    "The work in Windsor will start in 2023," said Dias. "We'll start mass manufacturing in 2024."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkw View Post
    One problem... can you hold out that long?

    "The work in Windsor will start in 2023," said Dias. "We'll start mass manufacturing in 2024."
    Hehe, sure, my petrol Abarth warranty will be just about done then. Maybe they’ll be able to make it USA safe by then. lol.
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