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    Fame or fortune? Wheeler Dealer fans...

    So Im watching new and old episodes of Wheeler Dealers lately. If you had a chance to buy one of their re-dos, even if it was a car you didnt really need, would you? Is the work they generally do full value and way undervalued?
    You watch those bits at the end where they slide in 24 Man Hours, and you think, so thats $2500 less than anyone else would charge?. Or would you just buy one to say I own a Wheeler Dealers car.
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    They don't pull punches in the description of their work. They don't do restores, just enough to make the car reliable enough to be enjoyed. I suspect the cost of their build is less than what it'd cost me and they seem to do excellent work. I'm especially impressed with the cars they choose, adding another decade or two to their life. Personally, I'd take their work over the average sales, but would still have it inspected before purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    They don't pull punches in the description of their work. They don't do restores, just enough to make the car reliable enough to be enjoyed. I suspect the cost of their build is less than what it'd cost me and they seem to do excellent work. I'm especially impressed with the cars they choose, adding another decade or two to their life. Personally, I'd take their work over the average sales, but would still have it inspected before purchase.
    Yes, you have to wonder if they're fixing EVERYTHING they can possibly find that's wrong, or just the bare-minimums based on their production schedules and legalities. But they do pick some interesting cars. The 2006 Porsche SUV which they sold for $15k seemed like a real deal if you can afford it's cost going forward, but some of the weirder, less popular cars like Saab's etc, you wonder if they'd be able to sell them if they weren't on the show...
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    From what I've seen they take care of the initial issues, take care of the cosmetics up to a point and do maintenance. They've also occasionally have done preemptive upgrades that can fix reliability issues. That's not counting the mods they do.

    The cars are done to reliable, daily driver status and not concourse standards. They budget the spending with the goal to make some kind of profit, which is usually modest. Some of the cars need more work than others and some come out better than others. Most of the cars, in my opinion, are reasonably priced, although I do remember some very slim profits or maybe even a loss.
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    Do you think the cars you’ve seen are fair value, i.e. if it wasn’t for the show’s notoriety, could you sell the same car, privately, for at least the same price? Whenever there’s a car I like, I’m immediately on Autotrader/Classic, looking for comps. Most of the time, their prices are low compared to everyday surfing. Very rarely do they NOT sell the car. That neon AMC Pacer being the best example.
    But when Ant/Ed tears down a carburetor, replaces an O-ring, and they list $10 to fix the carb, you know that’s really $300 in labor, right?
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    Wheeler dealers is a Reality automotive TV show. That’s all is. Just real motor head, entertainment. Ed’s real time labor cost, isn’t actual real time. When rebuilding and Restoring those vehicles. Mike and Ed have complete paint jobs done, for $2-5k. In real life it’s more like $10-15K. If not even higher. Mike happen to find beautiful compete interior for a vintage BWW, and only pay a couple hundred pounds for them. He located prefect un damaged color Matched door for a car. They only a couple vehicles, that are in real demand, they under sold. Really cheap. A vintage Ford bronco. Mike happen to find a repaint fantastic body for it. Ed completely rebuilt a galvanize chassis for Morgan. Probably $40 to 50 K of work involved in it. They didn’t get their true value selling it.

    All the Motor Trend Automotive shows, are good entertainment.

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    I think they would sell no matter what. Mike is a real car dealer and knows the values of the car and prices them right. What I personally like is he doesn't come off greedy and it is more like keeping these interesting cars on the road so enthusiasts can enjoy them.

    Having said that, the notoriety of the show can't hurt, but the buyers seem genuine and the cars are nice. If you are a buyer looking for a rare or interesting car, and here there is a well sorted car all ready to drive, it's hard to beat. Whenever you buy an old car, some key questions are what was done and what was the quality of work? It's about documentation, and if you have a whole TV show done on your car, that's a powerful selling tool that justifies the price. If someone had a bunch of pictures and a known professional garage do the work, that would also do the same thing.

    Maybe they get a couple of bucks more or there is less chiseling on the price, but the prices looks fair anyway.
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    I think they moved the show to CA because any classic will sell there and fairly quickly. Another advantage is having a mechanic that can do it all. Ant says he had a 12 week break in the show. He spent the 3 months doing a custom build Alfa Romeo 158. I found that as fascinating as his other shows.


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    I read they always replace brakes, shoes, pads, etc. as they are safety items, but quite often don’t mention or include them in the show if other things are more camera-worthy. But yes, they seem to go out of their way to find interesting machines. I’d have to think you could get a year of good driving out of a car they put time into, before something major came along.
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    Driven like a lot of classics, I'd think their job could last a decade or more. With a driver's build, you don't mind a bit of missing paint, a spot of rust, or a small leak. I've seen a guy knocked on his butt in a show room, when he leaned over a full restore and mussed the paint. The manager had to physically restrain the owner.

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