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    The modern Escape is about as heavy as the Caddy... gets about double the MPG. Of course, gas was around $1.80 in today's money. Offset that with most people driving 6 to 8K per year and the car in the shop every 10K miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    The modern Escape is about as heavy as the Caddy... gets about double the MPG. Of course, gas was around $1.80 in today's money. Offset that with most people driving 6 to 8K per year and the car in the shop every 10K miles.
    A modern Escape, comes in at a little over 3,000 pounds. A 1959 Cadilac was over 5000 pounds. A Chevy Tahoe, and Ford expedition. Is heavier then the 59 Caddy. But they both with get up to 23 mpg on the highway. Something the old cars could never achieve, listen to a.m. radio. The 2020 Ford expedition will do 0 to 60, and 6.7 seconds. The quarter mile 15 seconds. The 59 Caddy with a 6.4 liter V-8. 0-60, in over 11 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    A modern Escape, comes in at a little over 3,000 pounds. A 1959 Cadilac was over 5000 pounds. A Chevy Tahoe, and Ford expedition. Is heavier then the 59 Caddy. But they both with get up to 23 mpg on the highway. Something the old cars could never achieve, listen to a.m. radio. The 2020 Ford expedition will do 0 to 60, and 6.7 seconds. The quarter mile 15 seconds. The 59 Caddy with a 6.4 liter V-8. 0-60, in over 11 seconds.
    Do you honestly feel that the average soccer mom needs a truck that will do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds?

    And do you honestly think that the average teen age driver with a big, powerful truck can and will drive it sensibly? I think not.

    In my old fashion opinion, the average driver doesn't have the necessary skill or experience to handle a large powerful vehicle safely.
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    Some people need larger cars, however, cars like the 500L prove you can have full-size interior space within compact outer dimensions.

    The SUV and pick up craze is due in part to the fact that these types of vehicles did not have to meet the same safety standards as passenger cars. It was and is a huge cash cow for the manufacturers. Especially as practiced by American manufacturers who used pick-up type ladder frames and truck axles out back. At least now there is some thought and engineering that goes into them ( to keep up with the foreign manufacturers), but give me a passenger car any day. I personally can barely stomach of the whole SUV thing and am not a big fan of crossovers. Especially as they are killing the sedan and coupe market. We have a Stelvio, but that's my wife's car. I would have preferred a Giulia but we got an offer we couldn't refuse.
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    Chris, this is a SUV or crossover! How can you stand looking at it. In your garage? I’d make your wife park it on the next block. How dare her, make you buy that!



    Chris... you should have bought a 500L like we did.

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    Well, it is an Alfa...

    It's her car and I tread carefully there. We would have bought a 500L but we need AWD where we live. We did get a 500x and it was a great car we enjoyed it. For me it is a something different for me to tool around in, but my main preference are coupe's like my GTV6 or an M3 if i didn't have anything Italian to drive. i grew up with stuff like that, and one of the reasons i hunted down my 124 Coupe. I'm old school I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFiat View Post
    Do you honestly feel that the average soccer mom needs a truck that will do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds?

    And do you honestly think that the average teen age driver with a big, powerful truck can and will drive it sensibly? I think not.

    In my old fashion opinion, the average driver doesn't have the necessary skill or experience to handle a large powerful vehicle safely.
    When I was 19 years old. I was a average kid. I bought this brand new 1978 Trans Am. One of many muscle cars I owned. Large 6.6 liter engine, 4 speed manual. I sure didn’t drive it sensible. The speedometer was pegged a lot of time on the highway at three digits. I had a collection of speeding citations to prove it. Not too many teenagers, can afford a brand new $40-60k, Ram, Chevy or Ford truck. You sure don’t want a 5,000 pound suv getting on the highway really slow. full of kids, pulling a large boat, trailer etc. The automotive manufacturers, are selling the crap out of these large SUVs. Compact, midsize etc too. Does the consumer really need, 600-700 hp Camaro’s, mustangs, and Challenges. 300 hp Honda Civic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    A modern Escape, comes in at a little over 3,000 pounds. A 1959 Cadilac was over 5000 pounds. A Chevy Tahoe, and Ford expedition. Is heavier then the 59 Caddy. But they both with get up to 23 mpg on the highway. Something the old cars could never achieve, listen to a.m. radio. The 2020 Ford expedition will do 0 to 60, and 6.7 seconds. The quarter mile 15 seconds. The 59 Caddy with a 6.4 liter V-8. 0-60, in over 11 seconds.
    The 2019 Explorer weighs in close enough, at around 4500 pounds, plus or minus depending on options. The '59 Caddy varied depending on model; some under 4700 (the 1959-60 62 model) up to 5500 lbs for the Limo model. We had a '59 Family Car in the latter 60's. Yes, as I said, the Ford gets twice the MPG, due to huge improvements in engines. 23 MPG compared to around 10 for our rolling monster. We could get around 11-12 MPG on the road, about 8 in average driving around town, as we filled the 21 gallon tank every 150 miles. (Dad's '74 454 Chevy PU got around 8 on highway or city, with or without the 11' camper.)

    The old 390 cu-in Caddy (16 valves) produced 325 HP and 430 torque, impressive for the time, and was supposed to reach 60 in 11 seconds, more like 16 before we tweaked the engine. (This car had mostly been driven slow all its life.) GM could have installed FM, except FM didn't exist. Instead, it had the Wonderbar radio up front and controls for AC and radio in the RR armrest. Otherwise, pretty much stripped as few people wanted to rock out in a Family Car... on the way to a funeral. It put the Explorer to shame on leg room. A 6' tall person, scooted so his butt barely touched the rear seat, could touch the bolster seats behind the front bench... about 5 feet of legroom.

    I think it had more storage room than the Explorer and certainly better handling and comfort (offset by only Bias Ply tires being available). The irony is dad sold it because it didn't meet the gas mileage of the T-bird... then traded the 'Bird for that PU, for *really* bad mileage.
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