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    About damn time !!! I hope it becomes a trend.
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    The smart car was the prefect city vehicle. MB decided to electrify that car. Starting at $25k to way over 30. Too $$$. Terrible driving range. They Discounted from the NA now. Where do you charge a EV in a urban city. Fiat doing the same thing withe the 2020 500e. Same problem. If you live in a large city, like Chicago, you really don’t need a car. Same with New York City. Walk, take a taxi, use the subway. Out in the suburbs, Where I live. Or houses have large three car garages, wide streets. Plenty of parking and shopping grocery stores etc. people have large families. Where crossovers minivans, and SUVs makes sense. Contractors here are driving the large Ford, Chevy, Nissan, ram, and Toyota pick ups. I hardy see a smart car, or 500 on the road, anymore. Lots of Tesla’s.
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    I’d be ok if we went back to the station-wagon era: they still hold tons of your junk you seemingly can’t leave home without (?), but everybody else who isn’t driving one can still see around and above you on the road. The way back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    The smart car was the prefect city vehicle. MB decided to electrify that car. Starting at $25k to way over 30. Too $$$. Terrible driving range. They Discounted from the NA now. Where do you charge a EV in a urban city. Fiat doing the same thing withe the 2020 500e. Same problem. If you live in a large city, like Chicago, you really don’t need a car. Same with New York City. Walk, take a taxi, use the subway. Out in the suburbs, Where I live. Or houses have large three car garages, wide streets. Plenty of parking and shopping grocery stores etc. people have large families. Where crossovers minivans, and SUVs makes sense. Contractors here are driving the large Ford, Chevy, Nissan, ram, and Toyota pick ups. I hardy see a smart car, or 500 on the road, anymore. Lots of Tesla’s.
    I think the point of the article was just to encourage the use of a smaller ICE car. Whether you live in a city or not.

    I don't begrudge the use of these things for business purposes, but there are millions of people buying these things who have absolutely no need for the cargo space or the utility. Most of the pick-ups I see are practically trailer queens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mp4guy View Post
    I think the point of the article was just to encourage the use of a smaller ICE car. Whether you live in a city or not.

    I don't begrudge the use of these things for business purposes, but there are millions of people buying these things who have absolutely no need for the cargo space or the utility. Most of the pick-ups I see are practically trailer queens.
    I love smaller cars. That all we’ve owned since 2007. The issues is most the auto manufacturer have now dropped their sub compact vehicles. Nothing really left to buy. A Chevy spark. Like you, I see a lot of trailer queen large pickups too. My neighbor have them. They pull large RV trailers, and there boats. Why the others drive them, got me. I understand SUV’ and Crossover. People have children, need a larger practical vehicle to get around in. A small car won’t do. Even Honda, dropped their good selling Fit here. Had fantastic Utility space, 4 People can drive in comfort. Great fuel economy. Highest resale of any vehicle on the road. Why Honda drop it. They feel people want larger vehicle. Same thing happen to the Toyota Yaris.

    I can’t see any large vehicle, in a crowded urban area.

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    Special compact car spaces doesn't seem to help. Visiting my local home improvement center, you'll see SUVs and PUs parked in those spots hanging 8 feet into the traffic lanes. My neighbor just bought a new Ford and it's 20 feet long, with some models at 22'.

    I did get a chuckle from one of these guys. A friend went to traffic court and a guy there was fighting a parking ticket. His PU filled his spot and some of the adjacent. Traffic enforcement person gave him a ticket because he hadn't fed the adjacent meter. I'm seeing more of that, where no one (outside those in very tiny cars) can use spaces next an SUV.

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    You can park smart cars, anywhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFiat View Post
    About damn time !!! I hope it becomes a trend.
    I debated writing this , but here it is anyway ---

    This entire obsession with BIG vehicles is a bit of a pet peeve pf mine. While I do believe they have their place in the automotive society along with busses and tracor trailers, I still maintain that they are a detriment to sensible motoring.

    Consider first the outrageous cost, not only to purchase but also to operate and maintain. But forrget about that. The damage to the roads because of the excess weight and the increased consuimption of fossil fuel is huge and in my opinion and mostly unnecessary. You simply don't need an Escalade to take the kid to soccer practice!

    But my biggest annoyance is not necessarily with the SUV itself but with the people who insist on buying them. It is precisely that mass of "bigger-is-better" thinkers who have driven the available offering of smaller cars from the North American market. I'm annoyed that the 500 aamong others, is leaving the American market and I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the SUV buyers.

    I'll probably get a lot of pushback for my opinion but -- There. I said it!
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    Cars, in the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s were monsters. Extremely poor fuel economy. 5-6 mpg. Very unsafe. Park a Fiat 500, next to a 59 Cadillac. The front chrome grill weight was more. At least today’s crossovers, SUV’s and trucks. Are extremely safe, powerful, have hybrid platforms for better fuel economy. Built with light weight modern material. Today vehicles, you have the option to buy compact ones to large ones.

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