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    2019 500 Abarth - Bigger turbo or tune?

    I bought a 2019 Abarth with 67 miles on it last week. Have spent many hours on these threads reading and trying to figure things out. I understand $ need to be considered when choosing mods, but this is my fun/experimental
    car and dont mind spending some money, which I can work on the car with my kids. Thus far I have installed a GFB DV+ and noticed an immediate improvement in acceleration. I have a sway bar, brakes and other handling mods on the way. BUT What is the best way forward for performance (acceleration and speed)? I understand there are models built with larger turbos (not released in the US)and other performance tweaks, which leads me here. Would it be better to spend the $1200-1600 to get a larger turbo, or to start by doing mods? There is another thread on age, Have to admit I am almost 50, but the years have taught me that if you do it cheap, you do it twice, so do it right the first time. Open to any opinions on larger turbos or performance tuning. Also what is the best tune available. Dont want to spend time decoding CELs.
    Thanks for all of your help, this is such a great forum!

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    A bigger turbo is largely wasted without the tune to leverage it. So you’ll get a bigger initial bump from a flash tune, and then that tune can be adjusted as you add the turbo.

    P.S. 50 years old here too
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    I wouldn't go straight into a bigger turbo right off the bat. For sure you'll need at least a bigger intercooler especially when making that much more power. Probably a better intake as well.
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    Your reply is exactly why I ask the question. When you are done with all this, what’s another $1400 For a big turbo?

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    well a couple things. for every action there is a reaction. there cld be other issues that arise with the bigger turbo. you probably wont be able to put all that power to the ground which to me, makes the car less fun. most likely will increase lag on the low end, which again makes the car less fun. prob need to do a beefier clutch, which makes it less user friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvanders View Post
    Your reply is exactly why I ask the question. When you are done with all this, whats another $1400 For a big turbo?
    I agree.
    Since they first saw my car, my local shop has been saying it will need a bigger turbo if I want much out of it. I never catch them talking bolt on parts like cold air and such. They are not a fiat shop. They are known for BMWs, their tuner is a ford guy at heart and they tune and build everything.
    Yes you can usually tune for some more power but really these cars are pretty maxed out on these little turbos. I wish I had started with one. Most drop in Turbos for our cars are just that, drop ins. There is nothing wrong with adding the big piece and building around it, if and when it actually needs it.
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    max hp on stock turbo is approx 230 to the wheel which is about 120 more to the wheels than stock.

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    I'm exactly in your situation a month later mvanders - with the same attitude

    Would be curious to know what direction you went. If you could do it over again, what you would change, etc.

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    I am doing the Tork Tune. Waiting for the file will let you know after I upgrade.
    Biggest issue to a new larger turbo, from my perspective, is that there are a lot of other parts you would need to upgrade to fully utilize the larger turbo potential. I am using this car to drive as a daily driver (no track) and have a much faster car if I really want speed. For me, the mods are for fun, so your use case may vary.
    Biggest issue with doing mods is trying to find out what is actually worth it. Always seem to get contradictory answers when I ask questions so you really need figure out who to trust...... Just my opinion

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