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    Quote Originally Posted by LoyalDeserter View Post
    As I feared, my FCA warranty is refusing to pay for it on the basis that the FCA dealer it was serviced at screwed up the repair. I remain stunned by Fiat/Chrysler's poor build quality, botched repairs, and terrible customer service.
    What year car, do you own. How many miles on it. Since the engine was rebuilt the last. Is your car, still under factory warranty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    What year car, do you own. How many miles on it. Since the engine was rebuilt the last. Is your car, still under factory warranty?
    2013, about 36k miles, and I think it's a little under 2k since the rebuild, which was done less than a year ago. It's not under factory warranty. It has a Mopar extended warranty, but that's what refused to pay. It's possible since the repair was done less than a year ago and not many miles ago that the dealer who screwed up the job will still pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfPint View Post
    Trying to imagine how a MultAir engine runs with no oil!

    Remember that the MultiAir brick holds almost a half quart of oil. Once that oil runs out, then the little pumps run dry and everything stops. I suppose one could get a couple miles down the road running just on the oil left in the brick. By the time the brick runs out of oil, the main and connecting rod bearings are probably trashed.

    Not saying that's the case here; but a rebuilt or new engine can use more oil than a one fully broken-in. If one isn't diligent about checking the oil while the engine is breaking-in, there is a good possibility it could run out of oil sooner than expected.
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    I reread the thread from the beginning. If you had no oil in the engine that is going to go against a warranty repair. Checking the oil is basic car maintenance and the manufacturer is going deny an engine warranty claim based on lack of maintenance. Maybe the flywheel being loose will get you something related to that, but that's going to be a long shot. Also, the engine rebuild warranty will likely be valid for the owner who paid for that service. If it was the previous owner I can see that also being a problem. Fingers crossed for you.
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    What I find odd is there was little oil in the engine, but the oil was changed 3 weeks earlier. (No oil on the dipstick simply means it's down 1.5 quarts, not necessarily no oil.) Whether it burned or leaked the oil, some sign should have been obvious, I'd think... either a plume of smoke or puddles on the driveway. I suppose the oil change dude could have only put in 3 quarts? It's one reason I check the oil level after every oil change... why Oil Can Henry's shows the owner the dipstick.

    There are too many variables to prove Fiat is at fault, unless you can show they messed up something while reassembling the car. Work done, even warranty work, has a very limited shelf life. It's why I stopped buying GM cars. I bought a new 1980 and the brakes warped at 1800 miles due to defective calipers. All they did was a patch; turned the rotors. 94 days later (4000 total miles, 5 months old) they refused to repair after they warped again. "We have a 90 day warranty on repairs" and GM refused any further warranty work, even when it was not related to brakes. It was GM's lemon law... don't repair lemons we build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    There are too many variables to prove Fiat is at fault, unless you can show they messed up something while reassembling the car.
    That was the conclusion of the FCA inspector, that they had messed up the reassembly and that that had caused this. Also the "no oil in it" diagnosis turns out to have been a bit of exaggeration by my service advisor. There was still oil on the dipstick but not much. I don't know the full story of what happened, but it seems from what they've said that the flywheel failure caused a bunch of other problems and that some kind of oil leak is one of them. There was no plume of smoke or visible leak. The temperature was even reading normal. The state of the failure was also a sudden mechanical failure accompanied by a grinding noise after a high-rev gear change, which lines up with the flywheel bolts thing and not it running out of oil

    I did ask my dealer about their warranty policy on work like this, and they said that there at least this would be covered. I'm not sure if all official Fiat dealers have the same warranty policy though. So maybe it'll be alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    I reread the thread from the beginning. If you had no oil in the engine that is going to go against a warranty repair. Checking the oil is basic car maintenance and the manufacturer is going deny an engine warranty claim based on lack of maintenance. Maybe the flywheel being loose will get you something related to that, but that's going to be a long shot. Also, the engine rebuild warranty will likely be valid for the owner who paid for that service. If it was the previous owner I can see that also being a problem. Fingers crossed for you.
    See the comment above for more details, but my understanding of the failure is that the flywheel isn't just loose. I'm not sure that it actually fell completely off, but it seems to have caused a massive mechanical failure of some kind that lead to an oil leak. Something close to that was the diagnosis of the FCA inspector, that the other dealer is at fault for a botched repair, nothing to do with the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    I reread the thread from the beginning. If you had no oil in the engine that is going to go against a warranty repair. Checking the oil is basic car maintenance and the manufacturer is going deny an engine warranty claim based on lack of maintenance. Maybe the flywheel being loose will get you something related to that, but that's going to be a long shot. Also, the engine rebuild warranty will likely be valid for the owner who paid for that service. If it was the previous owner I can see that also being a problem. Fingers crossed for you.
    So, do you think, that if an original owner had a Mopar Extended Warranty, and an engine rebuild was done just before it kicked in, would FCA honor that previous work which occurred BEFORE the extended warranty started? The thread is confusing as to what exactly Mopar is refusing, and why...

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    The work was done after the extended warranty started. I have the paperwork for that repair, and it was all covered under the warranty. I believe they are refusing because the problem was not caused by a factory defect but by a poorly-done repair. It's frustrating because the repair was done by a Fiat dealer, and they apparently do not cover that. My service advisor was pretty confused by this and is going to try to talk to them to get a better explanation of their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoyalDeserter View Post
    The work was done after the extended warranty started. I have the paperwork for that repair, and it was all covered under the warranty. I believe they are refusing because the problem was not caused by a factory defect but by a poorly-done repair. It's frustrating because the repair was done by a Fiat dealer, and they apparently do not cover that. My service advisor was pretty confused by this and is going to try to talk to them to get a better explanation of their decision.
    Thanks for the reply It cant seriously be in the fine print that if a registered FIAT / Chrysler dealer does a repair incorrectly, that any subsequent problems from THAT repair arent covered, can it? That would surely be thrown out in small claims, no? I guess I better call my lawyer friends before buying a MOPAR Extended Warranty.

    FIAT Cares - care to chime in on this? Seems like the kind of thing youd be helpful with...

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