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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbob View Post
    This transmission is used in a number of different makes of car. It's an Aisin Warner TF60SN transmission and it uses anything that is equivalent to Toyota's WS fluid. The Mopar fluid is probably synthetic because these are often called "lifetime fill" but the lifetime of Aisin transmissions can be pretty short that way, lol! I think in some other applications this transmission has problems with wear somewhere in the valve body so changing the fluid is a good idea.

    Here's one example of the proper fluid:

    https://www.blauparts.com/aisin-warn...ol-tws-4l.html
    Fiat 500 repair manual calls the automatic transmission AW60T. Is that different than Aisin Warner TF60SN?

    I thought the AW-1 fluid was non-synthetic since the bottle didnt say it. Manufacturers would put that on the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabio13 View Post
    Fiat 500 repair manual calls the automatic transmission AW60T. Is that different than Aisin Warner TF60SN?

    I thought the AW-1 fluid was non-synthetic since the bottle didnt say it. Manufacturers would put that on the bottle.
    Nope, same transmission. Your basic Toyota transmission. VW calls it the 09 series, Mini has their own name for it too. Not sure about Ford and the rest.

    I will check with my Toyota tech friends, but I'm pretty sure that the WS fluids are synthetic. They pretty much have to be synthetic to survive as a lifetime fill. WS fluid in the Mopar bottle is generally used only by technicians at the dealerships and "synthetic" is more of a marketing term used for consumer stuff that's on the shelf at Autozone.

    Edit: OK, just checked with Toyota tech friend and he said WS is similar to Dexron VI. It's some type of synthetic with wide temperature range.
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    So I can use Dexron VI? I am doing the partial fluid swap myself. I’m about to order the dip stick on Amazon now and already bought a 12 piece Torx set at Harbour Freight. I already have Allen wrenches.

    What would you do if it was your car? The AW-1 fluid is pretty expensive. Curious about your background? You do seem pretty knowledgeable.
    2013 Fiat 500 Sport AT, Xpel Ultimate Clear Bra, 3M Crystalline Window Tint, Black top stripes, Black "500" (wide) side stripes. Fiat "500" Stainless door sills by Mopar. BlueTooth music streaming. OBDII BlueTooth Torque gauges streaming to smart phone. BF Goodrich Sport Comp II tires, STS rear sway bar, Euro+Drive NA 500 Tune, BMC reusable air filter and Spare Tyre with cover.

    Blast to drive! 25 years newer than last car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabio13 View Post
    So I can use Dexron VI? I am doing the partial fluid swap myself. I’m about to order the dip stick on Amazon now and already bought a 12 piece Torx set at Harbour Freight. I already have Allen wrenches.

    What would you do if it was your car? The AW-1 fluid is pretty expensive. Curious about your background? You do seem pretty knowledgeable.
    Like on other vehicles, with automatic transmission. When ever you change the transmission fluid. There is a filter too, that need to be replace.Is that true on the Fiat 500?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabio13 View Post
    What would you do if it was your car? The AW-1 fluid is pretty expensive. Curious about your background? You do seem pretty knowledgeable.
    If it were my car I would use the Dexron VI. Or try Redline D6, or Amsoil Signature series. These are both Dexron VI and Toyota WS compatible. I did some reading after talking with my friend who has a lot of experience. I think he holds Toyota's top level tech certification. Oils are a really tricky subject because there's not much consensus regarding which is the best to use in a particular application. Redline and Amsoil make great oils and I feel they are pretty conscientious about their application charts.

    My background is in law, but I decided after graduation not to practice law. I worked in the energy business, but not with oils. So you really shouldn't pay any attention at all to what I write about cars or oils, lol!

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    I don't see a filter in online tear downs of the non-Fiat versions of these transmissions so it's a good question.

    Also, if you go to Aisin's Japanese website it appears that their internal designation for this type of transmission is AW6F25. They have two versions listed with one being capable of handling more torque than the other. Fiat refers to this transmission as being "Heavy Duty" so I have to assume that they are using the higher torque version of the transmission.



    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    Like on other vehicles, with automatic transmission. When ever you change the transmission fluid. There is a filter too, that need to be replace.Is that true on the Fiat 500?

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    AW1 is the proper fluid for the 6 speed auto

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