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    When gas is $2.85 a gallon, and electricity is .37 cents a kWh, you can’t...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLP View Post
    Comparison.
    2017 Bolt, MSRP say 36k (bare bones). On used market, 3 year old, 30k miles - 22-23k (that is cheap).
    2017 500e (MSRP 33k), same conditions as above - 10-11k.

    I do not even mention Tesla here....

    So that is 40% vs 70% lost value. How one can explain that?
    Market demand, pure and simple. The Bolt is far more appealing to American buyers for multiple reasons.

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    our neighbour has one, replaced her Volt with it. Has had it in the shop once for incorrect battery charging/retention. I think they replaced her entire battery pack under warranty. Now she wants a Tesla.

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    Agreed... 500e's are cheap, in part, because Fiat flooded the market. Originally at a $100 lease, plus $3000 down, they were cheap. So much so that they sold for $4500 when they come off the 3 year lease, keeping the market low. The original Bolt owner was paying over $400, or got terribly upside down. Besides having to drive a Chevy (punishment enough) he got shafted in the deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post
    When gas is $2.85 a gallon, and electricity is .37 cents a kWh, you can’t...
    Agreed, again. CA's deregulation of electricity sucks more than amps. At your cost, about 11 cents a mile, as opposed to 9 cents for gas, EVs make no sense at all. But our local rates are 15% of your rate, so around .17 cent per mile. That's like 42 cents per gallon... something the US never saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    Agreed... 500e's are cheap, in part, because Fiat flooded the market. Originally at a $100 lease, plus $3000 down, they were cheap. So much so that they sold for $4500 when they come off the 3 year lease, keeping the market low. The original Bolt owner was paying over $400, or got terribly upside down. Besides having to drive a Chevy (punishment enough) he got shafted in the deal.

    Agreed, again. CA's deregulation of electricity sucks more than amps. At your cost, about 11 cents a mile, as opposed to 9 cents for gas, EVs make no sense at all. But our local rates are 15% of your rate, so around .17 cent per mile. That's like 42 cents per gallon... something the US never saw.
    The .37 cents isn’t even our highest tier rate. It goes up to .47 cents for tier three usage next month, until October. And we’re always in Tier 3. If I had 24 solar panels and a Tesla Powerwall, then maybe...

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    My scientific OCD kicks in... and I cannot control it.

    Guys, if electricity was at .37 cents, I would be powering everything by it.

    Where is the OCD? Here, leading zero. Folks have tendency to omit this and believe .37 is same as 0.37. However, had any of you written 0.37 or 0.17, you would have realised that you wrote 0.37 USD, that is 37 cents. Not 0.37 cents, which basically means that 100 kWh of energy is 37 cents. That would mean my Fiat's whole battery can be filled 13 times for one dollar. That would be awesome. Over 800 miles and only 1 buck.

    So, yes, I had to say it.



    My electric rate is (the night one) about 9.8 c/kWh, while distribution adds up to a total of almost 15 c/kWh.


    Yes, it was a great time to get Fiat. I wish I was aware of them so much as I am now.


    Interesting thing, though.
    I sold mine at almost same price as I bought it for (after almost a year and 7500 miles). Sure, I invested in it - new tires, another set of OEM wheels with winter tires, some mechanical repairs and TSB (partially paid because out of warranty).
    But in the end - they apprised higher after a year.
    Quite unique situation.

    I wish I could keep it... by wife said - nope. Plus, I did not have a place to park it for long time.
    Last edited by PLP; 03-25-2020 at 05:57 PM.
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    Sorry, mine was a typo. It was late, so I got the decimal wrong. Instead of .17 cents, should have read 1.7 cents.

    EPA says 100 miles takes 30 kWh or 3.3 gallons. 30 times your kWh vs 3.3 times current gas price. (Rough calculate, divide gas price by 10 to compare to kWh.)

    Our rate has recently gone up, now is 5.75 cents / kWh. There's no delivery (line) fee here, so household electric (including heat) runs $62.50 to $75 in winter.

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    a kWh of electricity in Socal is 37 cents, however you’d like to write it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post
    a kWh of electricity in Socal is 37 cents, however you’d like to write it
    I'd write it only the correct way :P


    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    Sorry, mine was a typo. It was late, so I got the decimal wrong. Instead of .17 cents, should have read 1.7 cents.

    Our rate has recently gone up, now is 5.75 cents / kWh. There's no delivery (line) fee here, so household electric (including heat) runs $62.50 to $75 in winter.
    1.7 c/kWh? That is crazy cheap.
    37 c/kWh? I do not get it. How come Oregon has electricity that is 20 times less expensive?
    Now it is "only" 7 times less expensive...

    Can't you run a cable from Eugene?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLP View Post
    The point here is: only old Leaf and 500e dropped the price so drastically on used market to actually make them easily "purchase-able".
    All those that can drive more than 100 miles on one charge keep their prices quite high.

    Comparison.
    2017 Bolt, MSRP say 36k (bare bones). On used market, 3 year old, 30k miles - 22-23k (that is cheap).
    2017 500e (MSRP 33k), same conditions as above - 10-11k.

    I do not even mention Tesla here....

    So that is 40% vs 70% lost value. How one can explain that?
    In the general there has been a large drop in used EV price, I believe a lot have to do with the Federal and State credit that is priced in. Also during that timeframe there were significant improvement in range, making these first gen EVs much less valuable. Moving forward as the credit sunset and the average range settles at about 200 miles, I am guessing depreciation will track more closely with gas vehicles.

    The specific case against used Leaf is the battery degradation as a result of the lack of active cooling for the battery pack. Also the 1st gen styling doesn't help.

    For the 500e, being a ultra compact limits the appeal to the general population, and the fact that Fiat did next to nothing to improve the car since 2013.

    My 2 cents.
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