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    500L looks good. Nice brick work on you house too.

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    I wish you the best of luck and I hope you continue to post on this thread with updates about your new purchase. As an owner of a 2014 500L Trekking I got in 2013 it is one of the worst cars I have ever had and I wish I had taken the advice of others who said stay away from a brand new model until Fiat works out the bugs. In this case the bug was a big one, the DDCT. Right now it's back at the dealer's service center getting a fourth transmission (car has 60K miles) because it wouldn't go into reverse and I am spending a fortune trying to get around without it. Also, the amount of time I've wasted on the phone with Fiat/Mopar since I have a lifetime powertrain warranty is ridiculous. Someone else suggested you get that warranty and it is worth it, but you may have to fight with them over what you are entitled to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Providence View Post
    I wish you the best of luck and I hope you continue to post on this thread with updates about your new purchase. As an owner of a 2014 500L Trekking I got in 2013 it is one of the worst cars I have ever had and I wish I had taken the advice of others who said stay away from a brand new model until Fiat works out the bugs. In this case the bug was a big one, the DDCT. Right now it's back at the dealer's service center getting a fourth transmission (car has 60K miles) because it wouldn't go into reverse and I am spending a fortune trying to get around without it. Also, the amount of time I've wasted on the phone with Fiat/Mopar since I have a lifetime powertrain warranty is ridiculous. Someone else suggested you get that warranty and it is worth it, but you may have to fight with them over what you are entitled to.
    The transmission seems fine.

    It did have an issue with the knock sensor and the PCM, so wasn't running quite right but that is now resolved after replacing the knock sensor (twice) and the dealership replaced the PCM today under warranty. On the drive home it seemed much smoother and eager.

    Other complaints, it's leaking in two places. The driver's door W-seal is damaged and leaks. The water drips right on the window controls and the rear passenger side window doesn't work from the driver's seat. The radio antenna also seems to leak, and after washing the car the headliner is now sagging in the rear. The replacement antenna base is on back-order but I'll replace that and then figure out what to do with the headliner.

    Personal complaint is that it doesn't have a traditional check engine light. I misunderstood the "Service Engine" message as it needing an oil change, when it actually meant "I have a DTC you need to look at" . That's really on me, but I might have got the car even cheaper if I'd known.

    Other than that I'm happy with my purchase and these just seem like niggles that you'd get with any used car.

    Biggest issue is my wife is not a fan of the L, but I'm hoping that her primary complaint that "it's sluggish" will be addressed by the car not running in protection mode any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    500L looks good. Nice brick work on you house too.
    Thanks. They did a nice job when they built it, the house that is, took them long enough
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    Brace yourself for the oil change. Need 28mm socket, wobbles, and extensions.

    I have a 500L and love it. Enjoy buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckonails View Post
    Brace yourself for the oil change. Need 28mm socket, wobbles, and extensions.

    I have a 500L and love it. Enjoy buddy.
    I already have a 500 Abarth Cabrio and a 500 Pop, so I'm well equipped to handle the basic maintenance for the L. That was a big part of my rationale to get one, plus the extra space in the engine bay on the L feels enormous in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    I already have a 500 Abarth Cabrio and a 500 Pop, so I'm well equipped to handle the basic maintenance for the L. That was a big part of my rationale to get one, plus the extra space in the engine bay on the L feels enormous in comparison.
    Third Fiat. NICE.

    I attached a picture for those that don't know how much space you have in the bay with a CAI. Maybe attached a picture of my baby too...


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    Good to know I'm not the only one with two five hunnerts and an Elle. I think you'll like it. Mine's a 2014 and given its prior service history and my own, having put on almost half the miles to get it to 100k, I have to put it up in my top cars for reliability next to my third gen Jetta and I've owned cars new and used from the big three Japanese as well as most German and Swedish makes. The only abnormal maintenance for me has been the PCV o-ring and now the steering gear getting a bit sticky, which I've traced to the bearings in the upper column. I haven't yet replaced the column but will put a good used one in. That's at around 100k miles.

    I think that you'll find that the body stays tight and rattle free and the ride/handling compromise is great. And it has some nice touches compared to the little 500, like the Koni FSD technology in the shocks, the Nav system, two glove boxes, and the fog lights that light very well the side of highways at night as I look for deer. The headlights themselves are only average and probably not quite as good as the ones on the regular 500.

    Mine's the manual so I can't speak to the DDCT but I do own a 2013 smart car, which is a SDCT, and for all the whining people do about it (and Japanese CVTs too) they forget that it is not a conventional automatic with a torque converter so it is going to jerk and lurch just a bit. I think that Europeans don't have such a problem with these robotised manual transmissions because so many of them don't have preconceived notions as to how an automatic should feel. These dry clutch boxes just feel a bit like the manual transmissions that they are accustomed to.



    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    I already have a 500 Abarth Cabrio and a 500 Pop, so I'm well equipped to handle the basic maintenance for the L. That was a big part of my rationale to get one, plus the extra space in the engine bay on the L feels enormous in comparison.

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