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    Abarth Purgatory!!!

    Please send help. I am stuck in Abarth purgatory. I purchased an Abarth for 5k a little less than two weeks ago. The day after I bought it, I got a flat tire. I took my car to a mechanic and while I was there asked them to change the oil and get the tires rotated for good measure. As I was arriving home from getting all this done, I noticed smoke pouring out the back of my car. Long story short, the mechanic had overfilled the oil. I took it back the next day and they gave it another oil change. Later that night I was working on my car and noticed that the plastic cover over the oil pan was hanging down because the mechanic didn't put it back on, and they had sheared the head off the bolts that secured it. I took it back the next day and they fixed the problem. The following day, my bearing came in the mail. The only problem that the car had when I purchased it (to my knowledge) was that it needed a new bearing on the rear passengers side. I went to take the wheel off and realized that I had no tire iron that would fit. I used a torque wrench and set it to 230 ft lbs. Well above what it should take. Low and behold not only did the lug nut not come off at 230 ft lbs, but I broke my torque wrench. To top it all off, the key that is supposed to fit all the keyed nuts is so gnarled out that I can't use it. I could have demanded that my mechanic also fix these issues, but I was frankly sick of them. I determined the most popular way to remove the keyed lugnuts was to hammer a slightly bigger (23mm) socket onto it and just use friction. Well, apparently when the socket was hammered over top of the lug nut it expanded enough to where it is now stuck in the lug nut well (I didn't even try to whack it down that hard, it went in pretty easy), and I can't get it out for anything. Unfortunately there is very little clearance between the lug nut and the well around it.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for getting the socket off the lug nut? The problem is that it is impossible to get horizontal force on the socket to knock it off.
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    Apply heat to the socket. By making the socket expand.

    Other option. Try grinding off the socket with a Dremel tool, with out damaging you alloy wheel. Not sure you will have the clearance.

    Take a large vise grip, place it over the socket. Make sure it’s on there tight. Try and turn the socket, loosing off the lug bolt at the same time. You might have to replace that lug bolt. You can try a large channel lock pliers too.

    Can’t you just take a large come along socket wrench, and turn the socket, and lug bolt the same time.
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    Ive tred using a vice grip to no avail. I think griding is iffy due to clearance. Im not sure about heat. I was worried about ruining the wheel. My other concern is that I think the socket is not coming out because it expanded slightly when I hammered it over the socket. And the expanded socket is stuck on the lug nut well itself (if that makes any sense). So I thought about heat, but then was also concerned that heating the socket up would just expand it into the lug nut well even more.

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    Is this a deep well socket? What happens, when you put a ratchet wrench in the socket and try to turn the socket and lug bolt at the same time. You Probably already have, Ruined the lug bolt. Just remove both, at the same time. Get your self a new lug bolt.
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    Rap on it with a rubber mallet the same way one is used to remove a bearing cap. Or put a long extension in the drive end of the socket and leverage it out with the extension.

    what can be tried to allow the keys to work is to apply dr, grip, or valve lapping compound between the key and the lug bolt. This stuff closes the gap between the two interfaces, and provides grip...used with a four way first, and if that fails, an impact gun, depending on the key’s condition, you may get them off.
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    When you say it is stuck in the wheel nut well, do you mean the socket is stuck inside the wheel?

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    Yes. I don't think it is stuck on the nut. It expanded when it went over the nut and got stuck on the wheel.

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    The lug nut is 17mm. You said you are using a 23MM one. I'm guessing that is to go over the locking lug nut? But still sounds really big.

    I guess you already learned not to use a torque wrench to remove something. It seems like it should work, but just doesn't work that way. You need a long breaker bar - the longer the better. Use a six-point deep socket - an impact one is preferable if you are dealing with stuck lug nut.

    As for the stuck socket, a suggestion is to get the wheel off the ground and smack the socket on each side to work the socket off. Spinning the wheel will let you bang on the socket from all angles. Use a chisel if you need to. Make sure you safely secure the car on a jack stand, especially if you are manhandling the car.

    If you are getting frustrated, you can go over to a tire shop and ask them to remove the wheel locks and your socket. They do this every day and what is a disaster to a lay-person is just another day to them. Ask your friends who they recommend. If you go to a shop and they give you a vibe that they don't want to tackle it try another place. I would make sure you have new wheel bolts (and a new torque wrench) handy.

    Keep us in the loop. Good luck.
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    Get a piece of square stock the same size as the socket drive size is ( 3/8" or 1/2" ). Fill as much grease as you can into the socket through the square drive opening. Then tap the square stock into the socket opening. Hopefully the hydraulic force will push the socket off. Old time mechanics used to do this with wooden dowels to remove flywheel pilot bearings.

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    I may be wrong but 230FT LBS seems extremely excessive. 70FT LBS is recommended. I do 80FT LBS

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