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    Do you think we will see this on the 500X?

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    regarding the post on gas costs in US gallons, I think the point was in the EU gas is priced by the Liter, or maybe the Imperial gallon in the UK, so converting to US gallons volume on the price in Europe makes gas in the $6 range in Europe.

    When I was stationed in Germany as a US military member, we could buy gas at US type prices on base, and had coupons of some kind that made the gas at European stations cheaper. We were limited on how much gas we could buy like that, to avoid black market selling of our cool coupons.

    It still seems to me we'd have more Euro type cars here in the USA if our gas was as expensive as it is over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfPint View Post
    Calling this a hybrid is a stretch. The peak output power of the electric assist is 3.6kW or 4.8hp. An 11AH battery @12V is 0.132kWH. If you could produce a constant 3.6kW from that it would last 0.037H, or 132s. Clearly the additional 4.8hp is not going to be much help to a 70hp engine, so it's really just intended to drive accessories while you shut the engine off to hypermile.
    Yes, exactly. When the first rumors came out, they mentioned a mild hybrid. eTorque is Ram's version of that, but they wimped it up for the 500. Ram uses a 48V system IIRC. By going with 12V, Fiat doesn't need a DC/DC system. Fiat's won't be as powerful but should be more reliable. Ram allows the engine to shut off on deceleration, then uses the starter/generator to slow the truck. It uses the starter to help accelerate the truck from a stop, until the engine gets into its power band. It sounds like the 500 will do similar, but for a briefer time.

    I wonder if the crank is offset to maximize the power stroke. Taller gearing in 5th might help MPG, too. From what I was reading, Euro specs has "real world" CO2 limits and the car *must* maintain that rating for 5 years. The way they control CO2 output is better MPG.

    I gave EU fuel costs because that's where the car will be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Nixon View Post
    regarding the post on gas costs in US gallons, I think the point was in the EU gas is priced by the Liter, or maybe the Imperial gallon in the UK, so converting to US gallons volume on the price in Europe makes gas in the $6 range in Europe.

    When I was stationed in Germany as a US military member, we could buy gas at US type prices on base, and had coupons of some kind that made the gas at European stations cheaper. We were limited on how much gas we could buy like that, to avoid black market selling of our cool coupons.

    It still seems to me we'd have more Euro type cars here in the USA if our gas was as expensive as it is over there.
    Correct. Four liters in an American gallon, but five liters in an Imperial gallon. So always add 20% to European, per-gallon prices vs. U.S. gallon prices.

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    We forget how cheap cars are in the US. The chart is in USD, US gallons.

    I saw an example a couple years ago, a V6 Camaro in Norway. About 1/2 year's salary to buy, but 2 year's salary in tax. I suppose that's why small engines and high MPG are so desirable.
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    For me, I'd prefer all electric for the 500, since it tends to be a city/commuter car. I can imagine a hybrid system in the 500X though, since this is a car that families are more likely to travel longer distances in. I really wish the current 500E had a significantly longer range.

    Prior to buying our 500C I thought about the 500E. I may have accepted the moonroof instead of the convertible. But the battery range just wasn't great. I think electrics must play a growing role in our automotive future, and I see hybrids as a compromise. Perhaps a smart and necessary compromise, but still...

    However, we are very happy with our little gas powered 500C. The turbo makes it more fun; the engine sounds great; it's just the kind of car my wife and I promised we'd buy when we retired. :-) I think that if we ever had to replace it, we really couldn't. There aren't other cars available in the US like this. I guess I'd buy a used one...
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    Very good Fiat 500.
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    six-speed manual. that's welcome...

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