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    The Fiat brand in Europe has released details on its new hybrid-powered Fiat 500 and Fiat Panda. The two models are the top-selling cars in the City Car segment in Europe and are the first FCA models in this category to adopt hybrid technology. The Fiat 500 and the Panda are a symbol of urban mobility in Europe, with about 400,000 units sold throughout the year. These new Hybrids usher in ...

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    It would be nice, if Fiat imports the new 500 hybrid here. When it comes to small hybrids here, your only choice, is a Prius. I looked at the Honda CRZ hybrid, as a option in 2011. I bought my 500, for 4 seats, and a sunroof. Not available on the CRV. The Honda CRZ, sales numbers tanked on that model. Honda plans are, is turning their whole model line up to hybrids. Maybe Fiat should too. I can see a hybrid 500X, or all electric model.

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    Noisy chain driven camshaft, multi-air abandoned(?); three cylinders.....

    Bah!

    "The cylinder head has two valves per cylinder and a single camshaft with continuous variable valve timing (the timing is chain-driven). The structure includes a compact combustion chamber, high-tumble intake ducts, and external EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation), providing a remarkably high compression ratio (12:1), which translates into better thermal efficiency"

    They went backwards in time.

    Bring back the Twin-Air!

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    Interesting development... perfect if the driver is hyper-miling; it's up to the driver to shift to neutral and shut it down below 30 kph. 11 aH battery storage, 12V system, about twice the stored power of my cordless drill. (Compared to 475 aH in the Prius?)

    I wonder what happens if the lithium cell discharges; will the standard battery kick in some added juice to start the car. Still, rated around 50 US MPG, it could be an interesting toy. It meets this year's EU pollution ratings, for big tax savings and should be in lower insurance ratings. At close to $6.50 a US gallon, I'm sure MPG will be a big selling point.

    I even like that they are making upholstery out of recycled plastic, 10% from the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    At close to $6.50 a US gallon.
    Map, not sure where you live. premium fuel, is around $2.75 a gallon here. I see a lot Tesla’s on the road here, the last couple years. Seems like there’s one at ever other intersection.

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    Yep... about $6.50 in the UK.

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    Calling this a hybrid is a stretch. The peak output power of the electric assist is 3.6kW or 4.8hp. An 11AH battery @12V is 0.132kWH. If you could produce a constant 3.6kW from that it would last 0.037H, or 132s. Clearly the additional 4.8hp is not going to be much help to a 70hp engine, so it's really just intended to drive accessories while you shut the engine off to hypermile.

    Interesting that they went with an offset crank. Still, it's got power levels similar to my Fiat 128 long ago, but with more weight and a 6spd. It isn't going to be very entertaining to drive, but it will at least be useful if you occasionally have to drive longer distances where an EV won't work. Of course in Europe you can take a train for that.
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    I was also big TwinAir fan. Did a bunch of stories on it and had high hopes, especially for the 105hp version.. Sadly, the engine just can't keep up with upcoming emission standards . On top of that, and this is direct from the meeting I had with engineers, managers and planners when they wanted to hear what we on the forum had to say on the next generation 500 a while back, they told me the TwinAir, even in its 105 HP form, would be too hard pressed to keep up with US driving conditions. According to them, the engine would have to operate so high in its duty cycle, any savings in fuel efficiency as well as emissions would be negated. I guess what looks good on paper...

    Now back to the new FireFly, don't get too hung up on the specs. For example, the two-valve head flows better than many 4-valve engines. According to Erlon Rodrigues, product analyst at FCA directly involved in the development of the new engine, about the use of two-valves per cylinder:

    “It was not a cost requirement, but rather a technical solution. The GSE engines have been conceived to be naturally aspirated ones”...“Our engines have a better air flux than half of all 4-valve per cylinder engines. It is much superior in this matter than all similar competitors and than half of the engines with double the valves” .*

    The engine is also designed to be simpler and that will be appreciated later in its life when it comes down to maintenance. I wouldn't mind a taking a break from doing timing belts. Fiat pioneered the belt drive TwinCam engine in 1966 and I've been doing Fiat timing belts for almost 40 years. The old cars are about as easy as they come. The new ones are more of a pain so thank goodness they have a long interval, but a chain is maintenance free - for a while at least.

    *https://motorchase.com/2016/09/fiat-...nes-in-brazil/

    Also remember, the Fiat 500 comes with a 69hp 1.2L engine in Europe. The car is not a road-burner.

    As for specs, they save the good stuff for the FireFly Turbo. That has MultiAir III, 4-valve heads, direct injection, huge boost (2.7 bar), variable geometry turbo, etc.
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    Currently $3.50 for regular at Costco in SoCal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post
    Currently $3.50 for regular at Costco in SoCal.
    Currently Regular is $2.36 at both Sam's and Costco in Orlando, FL. Premium is running $2.75 at Sam's and $2.79 at Costco.
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