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    Its official the Fiat 500 will be discontinued and they are looking at the new Peugeot 208 to replace it

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    We knew this day was coming, of course, and we even knew lots ofthe nitty gritty details – but now it is finally happening; Fiat ChryslerAutomobiles (FCA) and Peugeot S.A. (PSA) have agreed to begintheir merger.

    Over the next 12-15 months, both companies will jump throughsome serious hoops and seek approval from their shareholders in order to jointogether in perfect 50/50 harmony.

    As our Paul Horrell noted when the news initially came tolight: “What you have in this merger is what the financial breadheads call ‘a good fit’. Two entities with complementary areas of success.

    “Last year PSA sold 3.4 million vehicles in what they call EMEA(Europe, Middle-East, Africa), while FCA sold less than half that in the samearea. Yet PSA did a big fat zero in North America, where FCA shifted 2.5million. PSA is smaller than FCA in Latin America. In Asia they’re aboutlevel-pegging – both a bit vulnerably small.”

    So, it makes sense for all involved then. And the new company(whatever it may be called) will end up being the fourth largest globalautomotive manufacturer by volume and the third largest by revenue. Based on2018 figures, it could shift a combined 8.7 million vehicles per year, withrevenues of nearly €170 billion, a profit of over €11 billion and a profitmargin of 6.6 per cent. Crikey.

    The brands involved of course are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroen,Chrysler, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram and Vauxhall.That’s quite the portfolio – and the two companies have estimated that morethan two-thirds of its future cars sold will be based on just two platforms.That’s approximately three million on the small platform and three million onthe compact/mid-size.

    This sharing of platforms, parts, powertrains and tech will savethe new merged company around €3.7 billion per year – without closingfactories, apparently. It’ll also allow the entity to have “the leadership,resources and scale to be at the forefront of a new era of sustainablemobility,” according to itself…

    The board will be made up of five members nominated by FCA, fivenominated by PSA and the new company’s CEO – Carlos Tavares, currently the bossof PSA and formerly of Renault.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Spider View Post
    Its official the Fiat 500 will be discontinued and they are looking at the new Peugeot 208 to replace it
    In North America only, or worldwide. What’s the source of info?

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    Peugeot 208, is nice looking little car. I doubt it would sell well here. Not a crossover, or SUV. Ford dropped its Fiesta, and Focus here.



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    Americans don’t want cars like that or the 500, and most wouldn’t fit in one anyway They want giant 4dr pickup and SUVs styled to look like Wranglers that will never haul more than their enormous bodies or tow anything or ever leave the pavement. They cannot afford to buy or fuel these things, but then they don’t - it’s sll a credit/debt scam and the manufacturers get the things back in 3 years.

    The debt bubble creates these market distortions where what should be viable products cannot be sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    Peugeot 208, is nice looking little car. I doubt it would sell well here. Not a crossover, or SUV. Ford dropped its Fiesta, and Focus here.
    +1 It has a lot of the "faults" that gave the 500 such bad reviews in the US... per reviewers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Spider View Post
    Its official the Fiat 500 will be discontinued and they are looking at the new Peugeot 208 to replace it
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    In North America only, or worldwide. What’s the source of info?
    Exactly. we know the 500 was discontinued, but what is the source concerning the 208?

    I think we all need to be conscious when making a definitive statement to specify if it is opinion or where the info is coming from. We don't want to spread inaccurate info
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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    Peugeot 208, is nice looking little car. I doubt it would sell well here. Not a crossover, or SUV. Ford dropped its Fiesta, and Focus here.



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    +1 It has a lot of the "faults" that gave the 500 such bad reviews in the US... per reviewers.
    Yep, agree. Small, sporty, European, hatch


    • Small - Americans don't like small cars
    • Sporty - While some may like "sporty looking" cars, most don't like actual sporty driving car with well controlled suspension, zingy engine, manual gearboxes and sports exhausts.
    • European - Nah.. Generations of American grew up worshiping Japanese cars and their bland, Consumer Reports pandered designs. French and Italian cars are the least homogenized European cars and Americans just don't get them.( "Oh my God! Look at where they put the window switches! You call the a cup-holder?! I can't fit my Big Gulp there!).
    • Hatchback - Nope. Maybe if it were jacked up like a squishy crossover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    Yep, agree. Small, sporty, European, hatch


    • Small - Americans don't like small cars
    • Sporty - While some may like "sporty looking" cars, most don't like actual sporty driving car with well controlled suspension, zingy engine, manual gearboxes and sports exhausts.
    • European - Nah.. Generations of American grew up worshiping Japanese cars and their bland, Consumer Reports pandered designs. French and Italian cars are the least homogenized European cars and Americans just don't get them.( "Oh my God! Look at where they put the window switches! You call the a cup-holder?! I can't fit my Big Gulp there!).
    • Hatchback - Nope. Maybe if it were jacked up like a squishy crossover.
    Yup, people blame the manufacturers of these cars for the failure of them in the US market. While surely there were some things Fiat could have done better, the fundamental problem is that they are not what the market here wants. As long as market distortions hide the true costs of the vehicles and fuel they do want, there is no incentive to adapt.
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    I do think that if there was an effort to keep the cars fresh, keep them in front of consumer eye's marketing them as fun, stylish and classy cars, and having a first class dealer network the 500 could still be viable. Not huge Corolla type sellers, but in the 10-15k range.

    There's something to be said for having a solid and fun, charismatic car in a sea of the usual usual. There is still potential here but it requires commitment and drive. That seems to have dried up a while back and there is a lot of giving up. Such a waste.
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