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    starting to look for an X1/9

    I am planning a different car purchase in the spring and the X1/9 is certainly on the list. I know very little about them and am looking to see what advise I can get from the group on any and all topics. I will eventually like to purchase one that needs little work. Minor modifications or stock is where I want to be. Other options include Lancia (Fulvia) or another Alfa sedan (Milano Verde).
    Looking forward to what you all have to say about this model.
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    Your signature block raises my curiosity:

    -does "Dino" mean you own one of the Dino cars? (Fiat Dino Spider? Fiat Dino Coupe? Ferrari Dino? 2.0? 2.4? etc...)

    -GTV (of any year model) makes me very jealous

    wish I had your garage.

    pictures?


    With regard to the X1/9, it brings back memories of watching SCCA racing at Road Atlanta in the late '70s and early '80s. I can't remember which SCCA class (or classes) they fell into but there was always 1, sometimes 2, of them out there and the guy(s) who brought them had figured out how to make them pretty fast (I don't know what you have to do to make an X1/9 fast/competitive, but it probably wasn't an easy thing to accomplish so I really appreciated the effort). I watch Bring-a-Trailer on a regular basis and X1/9s do occasionally pop up.

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    I think you are wise to look for one that needs little work, especially in the engine. Hemmings lists one occasionally. There's one currently that looks exceptional, for $15K. https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...9/2332778.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino55 View Post
    I am planning a different car purchase in the spring and the X1/9 is certainly on the list. I know very little about them and am looking to see what advise I can get from the group on any and all topics. I will eventually like to purchase one that needs little work. Minor modifications or stock is where I want to be. Other options include Lancia (Fulvia) or another Alfa sedan (Milano Verde).
    Looking forward to what you all have to say about this model.
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    One good bet is to subscribe to Bring a Trailer. You'll get a daily e-mail of offerings, and lately, there have been a few X1/9s shown that were very sharp. Should complement your 850 Coupe very nicely.
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    I watch BAT all the time. I looked at the X1/9's that have sold over the past two years. Without a lot of understanding of the model it is tricky to understand the price range.
    My name is Dino. Although I would like to own a Dino of any sort. I am hopelessly stuck in a much lower price range. I really don't mind as I like owning a variety of cars and motorcycles.
    I have owned the GTV for over 30 years. It is one of the few original black GTV's that were made. My kids will have to figure out what to do with it when I can no longer remember that I own it.
    The 850 is a fun car. I bought it a couple of years back with the intent of getting it street worthy. I have completed that goal. Now I have to solve the over heating issue.
    I post pictures so infrequently that I have to go through the learning process every time. I will get some pictures posted.
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    1974 Alfa GTV
    1968 850 Coupe
    1987 Bertone X1/9

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    I had been in the market for an X/19 about eight years ago. Visited a couple Italian car shows and talked with existingowners to get advice on what to look for. Not surprisingly, tin worm, aka rust, was the biggest problem with the cars. Just as with most Euro cars from that era, manufacturers didn't pay much attention to corrosion prevention. When inspecting a prospective car, take a magnet and a soft cloth. Wrap the magnet with the cloth, and place it up against areas known for rust and half-ass repairs: rocker panels under the doors, bottom of the doors, fender skirts, and the 'trunk' bottom. If the magnet doesn't stick, the area has probably been repaired with Bondo or fiberglass. You'll have to pull up the carpet and trunk mat to check the floor pans, because those are prone to rust. That, and past owners may have ignored leaky rotted rubber roof panel seals or truck seals, allowing water to sit on the floor and rot the trunk floor. Replacement floor panels are available, but the trunk floor is unobtainum. One would have to get one fabricated.

    The engines and transmissions are pretty robust, but these are old cars. After driving the car, let it idle for about 5min while watching the gauge.. The older radiators are known to collect corrosion and sludge, partially clogging. Check the dipstick and make sure the oil doesn't look like chocolate milkshake. If these cars overheat, they will blow the headgasket, or warp the head, causing coolant to leak into the crankcase.

    I'm still keeping one eye out for an X/19, but my quest has changed, now focusing on a Ferrari 308 GTQV. Prices have been coming down and I figure it's time to rejoin the hunt.

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    Great group of cars there! I have a GTV6 for 30++ years , and always wanted a 105/115 GTV but never got around to getting one. Same for the 850 Coupe. I love Italian coupes, including the Fiat Dino Coupe, but as you mentioned, they are also out of my price range.

    Your black GTV is rare. Black ones were always sought after. Yours look great.

    As for X1/9s, I've worked on a bunch way back when, and I just sold my '87 I bought from the original owner in '92. The biggest thing, as you know, is rust. The rear crossmember where the control arms attach is critical, as is the rear strut towers. Fronts too. Windshield posts and floors go. The flores aren't too big a deal but the other stuff is a deal breaker. The good thing is the late model cars are much better rust wise than the old cars, especially like an 850 Coupe or other Fiat from that era.

    For anyone thinking that these old Fiats were slow, well they were definitely hampered by US emission controls and smog settings. The secret is to junk that stuff and return the car to European specs. That's easily 10-20hp dependable horsepower. The small engines turn 8 grand all day, no problem, especially in Eurospec or above. The Fuel Injected ones are limited in power upgrades, but always start and run consistent. The radiator is a bit pricey if I remember correctly, but most everything else mechanical is doable and not too bad to get. The cooling system is critical, and bleeding the system is important and the cause of a lot of issues. Trim can break, and can take some searching to get. Especially an older, 1300 car.

    In a nutshell, the X1/9 isn't as easy to get parts like a Spider, but they are cheaper. The early cars are more delicate than the late cars and are getting pretty rare, so parts aren't as plentiful as the later cars. The older cars are more prone to electrical issues (especially after 40 years of butchery by typical US mechanics). Late model 1500cc cars have much better electrics. The newer cars are also more available, plus a lot are in pretty good shape, too, so you can still hold out for a good one and have a good shot at finding one. A great older one is harder to come buy and the prices are getting up there. This is pretty much like anything else.

    Let us know how you make out and post some more pictures of that GTV and the 850 Coupe when you can!
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    The 1969 850 Sport Coupe I had in the mid 1970s was a lot of fun. And it is likely the reason I have a FIAT 500C now... It may be fun to have another 850, but reminiscing can cause one to forget how much better, in many ways, today's cars are.

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    Thanks for the advice. Rust is something us New Englanders know a lot about. The 850 has some patches and bondo but it is reasonable shape. It was an import from Sicily.


    I will be out in Michigan later this month and may go and see the two that are for sale in Grand Rapids. I think they are a bit high in asking price but it is a way to get more first hand info.
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