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    Quote Originally Posted by neubauerjoseph View Post
    Well, I hope this deal will mean more fiat cars in the USA. Any ideas what they might bring over or to market?
    To succeed in the market here. The vehicles would need to be crossovers, SUVs, and smaller pickup trucks. FCA already got the successful Jeep and Ram brands. A wide range of EVs would be needed in the future too. From the merger.

    Renault, offers in Europe, the Twingo city car, Clio hatchback, Captur SUV, Espace V crossover, Tailman sedan, and Megan sedan. Acquiring FCA, is Renaults door to the NA market place. Here again.

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    PSA is hinting that they wanted the Jeep platform to build new vehicles. The bit about PSA's innovation may be key in the US. Autonomous and connected cars are their strengths, as well as car sharing. For Fiat, it sounds like a payday for share holders in exchange for, basically, selling FCA. I can understand PSA's shareholders being hesitant but w/o the merger PSA and FCA will have serious financial problems in the next decade.

    It's looking promising but it still has to be approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark View Post
    Maybe we will finally get a rear engined 500. Based of the Renault Twingo. Fun little city car.
    Sure, we all know how well 'city cars' sell in North America lately. Why not introduce another one that is full-on French-made junk too? After what dealers went through with Fiat, I'm sure they're all chomping at the bit to get their orders in for Peugeot's four wheeled garbage cans.

    Oh, and I doubt the rear-engine Twingo would pass U.S. safety standards for frontal impact.
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    I was thinking about this more. This merger has zero with wanting to produce cars that people want to buy, and everything to do with optics to the EU and Wall Street. FCA's whole intention is to become the number four largest auto manufacturer in the U.S., and a life ring tossed to Peugeot. FCA already has quality problems with many of their vehicles. French-a-fying FCA is going to make it even worse. Folks.. we are witnessing the beginning of the end of FCA, and for what? Size?

    Stupid, just stupid.

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    But maybe we'll get The Cactus here...

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    I'd actually like the little Twingo, but it's not a PSA brand. Peugeot might show up a couple years earlier, and we might see PSA drive trains in FWD cars. PSA makes brands we don't see, Peugeot, Citreon, DS, and Opel/Vauxhall, though the Buick Regal is "related" to the Opel. Dodge/Chrysler was pulled from Europe by FCA, Fiat will probably disappear here.

    The biggest SUV PSA sells is about a foot longer than the 500X, though. Probably not much of a market here.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...n-merger-cars/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyfromVA View Post
    I was thinking about this more. This merger has zero with wanting to produce cars that people want to buy, and everything to do with optics to the EU and Wall Street. FCA's whole intention is to become the number four largest auto manufacturer in the U.S., and a life ring tossed to Peugeot. FCA already has quality problems with many of their vehicles. French-a-fying FCA is going to make it even worse. Folks.. we are witnessing the beginning of the end of FCA, and for what? Size?

    Stupid, just stupid.
    Yeah, have to agree. Everyday I drive the freeway looking at all the cars, and theyre all so vanilla (Im talking to you, Nissan, Toyota, KIA, Chevy... and then a 500 drives by and I say oh, doesnt that LOOK different. Only the original Mini gives the same eye-candy feel. But America is a vanilla car-nation. I remember a few years ago, I was taking a night school class at a local community college. Myself and two women were in the parking lot doing a geography mapping assignment (one in her low twenties, one in her mid-forties), and two cars drove in after one another: a vanilla pickup, and a two-seater 70s Alfa Spyder. I asked them both which they preferred; oh, the pickup for sure they both answered.
    Luckily, I wasnt dating either....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvmaster View Post
    Yeah, have to agree. Everyday I drive the freeway looking at all the cars, and theyre all so vanilla (Im talking to you, Nissan, Toyota, KIA, Chevy... and then a 500 drives by and I say oh, doesnt that LOOK different. Only the original Mini gives the same eye-candy feel. But America is a vanilla car-nation. I remember a few years ago, I was taking a night school class at a local community college. Myself and two women were in the parking lot doing a geography mapping assignment (one in her low twenties, one in her mid-forties), and two cars drove in after one another: a vanilla pickup, and a two-seater 70s Alfa Spyder. I asked them both which they preferred; oh, the pickup for sure they both answered.
    Luckily, I wasnt dating either....
    I agree with you, with the sea of crossover, and SUVs on the highway and parking lots. So bland, all look alike. When I bought my 500 8 years ago. I got some notice from the public. Especially they would photograph my license plate. My 500 never got the attention, like my little smart car. Young and old would asks questions. Kids would wave in mini vans going by. I Loved the fuel economy. The new 453 smart car, shares it platform, with the Renault Twingo. I was hoping Buick would have imported the Opel Adam here. Basically all the Buick models are base off Opel/Vauxhall cars. Some built in China.



    A friend of mine shot this photo of us, 10 years ago on the highway.

    The NA public here just isnt in tune of city vehicle. Not sure how this merger is going to save FCA. Except acquiring jeep and ram brands.

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    Yes, both companies are Euro-centric and EU has extreme 2021 emission standards. Corporate average 95 grams of CO2 per K driven, or pay 95 Euros per gram. If I calculate that correctly, it's around 58 MPG, and in 2018 FCA would pay around $3K per car in fines (worse in 2019).

    PSA is further along to meeting the goal... Fiat mostly ignored it, with management hating electrics.

    https://www.ft.com/content/74c04dc2-...e-7aedca0a081a

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    Yes, both companies are Euro-centric and EU has extreme 2021 emission standards. Corporate average 95 grams of CO2 per K driven, or pay 95 Euros per gram. If I calculate that correctly, it's around 58 MPG, and in 2018 FCA would pay around $3K per car in fines (worse in 2019).

    PSA is further along to meeting the goal... Fiat mostly ignored it, with management hating electrics.

    https://www.ft.com/content/74c04dc2-...e-7aedca0a081a
    I read here a lot of comments about government mandated this and that ruining things for car companies, mostly about emissions. But I was just in Europe, and there are a lot of emission heavy SUV's on the roads there, from Audi, Range Rover, Jeep, Porsche, VW etc. If they are suffering somehow, it isn't keeping them off the roadways...

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