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    Cause of oil consumption on Abarths?

    I've seen many threads about some abarth's consuming oil and some not. I've heard some people getting new blocks and others getting turbos under warranty but anyone here have an example on how they fixed their car's oil consumption? Was is a scratch in the cylinder wall, bad valve seal, turbo jounral, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julien View Post
    I've seen many threads about some abarth's consuming oil and some not. I've heard some people getting new blocks and others getting turbos under warranty but anyone here have an example on how they fixed their car's oil consumption? Was is a scratch in the cylinder wall, bad valve seal, turbo jounral, etc?

    Pictures would be awesome!
    My car has 36,000 miles on it, and absolutely ZERO oil consumption. The owners who experience consumption (it seems to me) are those who autocross or push their cars very hard. Under those conditions, any car will see some consumption. I've been on assorted Abarth message boards for over five years. I don't see these issues as recurring problems, unless someone has modded themselves to limits the engine was never designed to handle.
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    Mine loses oil too. Mostly on top/front of the drivers side in the engine and somewhere separate on the passenger side. I'm... impressed? by how much oil a car with less than 70k can leak.

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    Leaking and consuming are two different things. I dont think there is a link between mods and oil consumption. Many many owners report extremely high oil consumption on fairly new stock cars. Like having 1.5 quarts left in their car by time of first oil change and stuff. My first abarth I just sold had zero oil consumption at 3k oil change intervals. I started frequently checking when I heard all the horror stories. My higher mile abarth may lose half a quart every 3k miles. I cant exactly confirm it, but it appears to use a little. My car that didnt use any had a larger turbo, every bolt on mod imaginable. All installed form about 5k miles onwards. Saw track days 5 or 6 times a year. My other abarth remained stock till 39k miles. It hasnt seen any track days. Its mildy modded.

    The oil consumption thing is so random it appears that people are going to see what they want to see out of the available evidence. But nothing points towards modded cars using more oil. Eddie's 124 was brand new and leaked a few quarts every couple hundred miles from lined up ring end gaps.
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    That was meant to be a joke about not being able to tell where my oil was disappearing to (burnt or leaked).

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    Quote Originally Posted by samwichse View Post
    Mine loses oil too. Mostly on top/front of the drivers side in the engine and somewhere separate on the passenger side. I'm... impressed? by how much oil a car with less than 70k can leak.
    samwichse have you check the oil separator "donut"? It's a common leak point and costs about a buck.

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    You talking about this thing?

    https://shopeurocompulsion.net/produ...arth-fiat-500t

    If that's it, that will be 50% of my leaks and halfway to finding out if my car burns oil or not :-P

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    That's the one. There was a thread here a couple weeks ago, about PCV valve. I think one of the guys found a better-than-stock replacement. It included a video about cleaning the box, replacing the PCV, and that oil ring.

    It is remotely possible that that is your whole leak. They are known to leak enough to fill #4 and #3 spark plug holes.

    BTW, 1 quart in 1000 miles is not considered excessive, so maybe this will get you back into spec.
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    I've been autocrossing my 2013 Abarth since 2014, plus a track day or charity event or two every year, no extra oil consumption. 69000 miles. If it matters, I followed the break in driving period like in the manual, and it's also my daily driver.
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    Yea if anything I think there is the least evidence that modified and aggressively driven cars burn excessive oil. As far as hard evidence is concerned, I've only seen it definitively linked to ring end gap alignment. Which makes me think the extent of the alignment issue on problem engines and number of cylinders is the cause of excessive consumption and how bad it is. Opiateesp has documented a few individual cases of very poor assembly standards on a single engine. So anyone of the theories may be valid, but this is the only conclusive proof of a cause I've seen. A quick search will show that the consumption has been frequently found in factory new cars.

    Robert Nixon input could very well be true as well. But typically with modern oem engines, how they ar rebuilt, materials, coatings, the rings used, they "break in" and achieve their max compression almost instantly when first ran. Even rebuilding a motor, you've basically got that first shot to get it right, cause what is achieved in those first moments of thosenfordt start is usually what you've got. Modern factory engines do seem to gain power with some milage though. Or actually accelerate faster. Acceleration times are dependent on so.many variables, amd systems on the car, it could be anything.

    But that's not to say a proper break according to oem or ring manufacturer or whatever in isnt best practice.

    The exception is rotary engines. They still build compression as the wear in. But they are typically using 30 to technology in the equivalent to the rings and their housings have had the same coating and built the same way since like 1986. So they arent really using new tech and processes like oem engines and modern rebuilds.
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    Spec 2+ clutch
    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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