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    Just do yourself a favor and get a tork tune. I know absolutely nothing about malone tuning. I'm sure they do a lot of things really well. But the tuners creating files from the usual commercially available databases that shops subscribe to are just crap for the abarth. A company that makes a great file for an audi cant necessarily do a great file for an abarth. It's not their knowledge or skill. The tools they are working with are garbage. Many versions, possibly all of the standard abarth files shops would have access to with a subscription or thru credits have serious inaccuracies in the make up of the tables. Tork has created his own. Indexed and defined all the tables himself. Am example from another thread. His file has over 30 tuned boost tables. Most tunes, have 6 I believe. Maybe 7. They dont even have access to the other 23+ tables.

    It would take a few pages of typing to explain everything. Call tork and talk to john. You'll understand why you should buy a tune from him.
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    Ok thanks

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    Yea even the other popular files. More popular than malone, they just arent that great. You wouldnt even know it till you drive a tork. The stock calibration has all kinds issues and wierd drivability. So even a crappy tune seems decent. Btw that pulling power they claim on the dyno. These cars do fine on a dyno. That power pulling is the tune and it will do it on the street as well. That's a clear sign their files aremt complete.
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    It’s very noticeable on the drag strip! The car will feel strong in 1st and 2nd until you start the long haul in 3rd and watch the ECU do weird things like close the throttle body, dump fuel and more. The top end will fall apart.


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    One of the local guys here in Vancouver had his engine magically blow up after being tuned by them. They're good at VW. Not so much the Fiats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opiateESP View Post
    One of the local guys here in Vancouver had his engine magically blow up after being tuned by them. They're good at VW. Not so much the Fiats.
    Ok good to know

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    I just went through a similar search..2 things:

    1) Malone is not TUV Approved. I would HIGHLY recommend getting a TUV approved tuner. I know nothing else about Malone, though..

    2) DO YOUR RESEARCH outside of any forums!! Try to talk to someone that specializes in the Abarth and has no motive to sell you anything if you can...and take what people say here/other forums with a grain of salt..EVERYONE is out to advertise their own brands and/or are fans of a brand (including myself, of course).


    If I were you, then I would select any tune that is TUV approved. I made a huge mistake by not doing this and went with the most famous tuning system out there (hint: It's not 500madness or torktune..I'll let you guess from there). Let me tell you they are very, very good at creating an online presence and BSing forum users as a result. Not to mentions all their fanboys touting how amazing their tuner is. I think they just want to convince themselves..Just my opinion though.

    So that being said here comes my recommendation moment and you can do your own research as well..


    2 companies with TUV approval that I found and am leaning towards are "Seletron Chipbox" and "Racechip."

    Chipbox - https://seletron.com/en/shop/abarth/...118kw-1368ccm/ (US abarth models 2008-onward)

    Racechip - https://www.racechip.us/shop/fiat/50...-170lb-ft.html (US abarth models 2007-onward)


    This is just an opinion...So I hope no one lashes out on me. After my experience, this is what I have to add to the discussion.. Good luck!
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    Lol, not hard to guess who that is.
    Yea people will try to push what they own. Maybe they are trying to convince themselves even. But the most refined chip box isnt gonna approach a good tune. And tork tunes aremt hype. I dont claim to be a fantastic tuner, but as far as people posting on here who arent shop owners, I dont think very many people member here have more time self tuning their abarth than me. Not ones that post at least. I know of maybe 2. So I know a little about what's going on with this ecu. Doverosx is really hip. Message him. What tuners are doing, And what they are working with. Not only do I own 2 openflash setups, I have ecmtitanium which is probably what most of the tuners tuning these cars are using. It's not cheap amd requires 1 or 3 year subscriptions to their database. I have made 12 different files for my car and flashed it probably over 80 times with minor updates and changes. Many many hours of tuning amd datalogging this car.

    Trust me when I say at a fundamental level, before a single cell in the mapping is altered, the tork tune is about 100x more complete than anything else. Therr are so many limiters and factory strategys left untouched on other tunes. They dont even have the raw code translated to see them or edit them. They may not even know they exist. Tork has access to and tunes more tables for boost target and wastegate control than the other tuners in america have in total tables to tune for boost, lambda, timing, throttle/torque request, limiters, etc. Etc. Ecmtitanium maybe has 26 or 27 tables total for my ecu version. Openflash has maybe 30. Torks file has more than that in boost control alone. AMD not only does he have more access, he has thousands of hours of dyno time with numerous cars learning how all the tables are interrelated, interpolation, amd effecting each other. Shiv had mapped 1 car when he released his files. I doubt malone has tined a hundred abarths. Ec, well, whatever they have done, they havemt spent that time wisely lol. The ec tuned abarths I've been in cant even accelerate from 20 to 80mph without dropping down to nearly stock power. A member on here recently created 2 threads of his stage 2 ec tune running 16psi, less than stock after 4500rpm. Ec told him the tune is fine and working how it should. That's probably one of the most popular tunes if the not the most on the market!!!!! People litterally do not realise what a good tune for these cars are till they have driven a tork.

    And as far as tuv approved, that's not even for american marlet cars lol. It's not even really a sign of quality. It's a sign that the company has the resources to get tuv approved. I could build a intake for the abarth that ismt carb legal. But if I wanted to go thru the process and cost of carb legalization I could. Does that make the intake fundamentally better from any performance objective?

    I wouldnt buy a piggyback. Even if y oi ur under factory warranty, its probably faster to flash back to stock than unplug the piggyback harness. I was a dealer tech at Porsche Audi for many many years. Trust me, if the car doesnt have the file currently installed, they are not gonna figure out, nor do they even really care if the car was flashed. Warranty work sucks. Sure.
    But your gonna lose.more time trying to figure out if you can deny warranty because the car maybe had a flash at some point than jist knocking it out, sending it, and onto the next one.
    Last edited by Saponetta; 08-12-2019 at 11:14 PM.
    2013 abarth
    Spec 2+ clutch
    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodharma View Post
    I just went through a similar search..2 things:

    1) Malone is not TUV Approved. I would HIGHLY recommend getting a TUV approved tuner. I know nothing else about Malone, though..

    2) DO YOUR RESEARCH outside of any forums!! Try to talk to someone that specializes in the Abarth and has no motive to sell you anything if you can...and take what people say here/other forums with a grain of salt..EVERYONE is out to advertise their own brands and/or are fans of a brand (including myself, of course).


    If I were you, then I would select any tune that is TUV approved. I made a huge mistake by not doing this and went with the most famous tuning system out there (hint: It's not 500madness or torktune..I'll let you guess from there). Let me tell you they are very, very good at creating an online presence and BSing forum users as a result. Not to mentions all their fanboys touting how amazing their tuner is. I think they just want to convince themselves..Just my opinion though.

    So that being said here comes my recommendation moment and you can do your own research as well..


    2 companies with TUV approval that I found and am leaning towards are "Seletron Chipbox" and "Racechip."

    Chipbox - https://seletron.com/en/shop/abarth/...118kw-1368ccm/ (US abarth models 2008-onward)

    Racechip - https://www.racechip.us/shop/fiat/50...-170lb-ft.html (US abarth models 2007-onward)


    This is just an opinion...So I hope no one lashes out on me. After my experience, this is what I have to add to the discussion.. Good luck!
    You didn't like that tune you had because it was a canned generic tune bought off the shelf BY the people you bought the tune from.

    I love Robert but those signal modifier box devices don't defeat speed over time and on that alone, I would never consider one. Experience has showed me these are a waste of my time. I'm personally too performance oriented for them. This also shows that TUV approval is meaningless though (if they are approved) as a signal modifier tricks the ECU and by definition messes with your cars engine safety features.

    This is just the way it is.

    ... so as for TUV approval... simply put; couldn't care less.
    Last edited by opiateESP; 08-13-2019 at 12:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opiateESP View Post
    You didn't like that tune you had because it was a canned generic tune bought off the shelf BY the people you bought the tune from.

    I love Robert but those signal modifier box devices don't defeat speed over time and on that alone, I would never consider one. Experience has showed me these are a waste of my time. I'm personally too performance oriented for them. This also shows that TUV approval is meaningless though (if they are approved) as a signal modifier tricks the ECU and by definition messes with your cars engine safety features.

    This is just the way it is.

    ... so as for TUV approval... simply put; couldn't care less.
    so do you tune your ecu at all? if so, what did you use?

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