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    Fiat 500 new engine?

    I was reading a article talking about Fiat 500 future cars what engine they are doing. according to yahoo autos the future of the 500s (500,500L, 500X) looks to be 1.3T firefly, but they are going to add etorque like on the Ram. But this time its mission isn't pulling power, but performance and MPG. I would like to think they are trying to be in the 38-45 range. But I would like to see specs on the engine. Its most likely too early for that.


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    I've been reading the same. EU will get these, but there's no word about the NAFTA market. (I assume Fiat will import the tech.) Etorque is good for city driving, giving a bit of extra launch torque, but drops off pretty quickly. Its real advantage is shutting down at stops. Hypermilers know you can get a significant MPG bump shutting down at stops.

    The current 500X gets approx 1 MPG bump (combined MPG) compared to the 2.4L, and a 2 MPG loss vs the 1.4L. Part of the loss could be the new AWD? Etorque should help bump city MPG. I wonder if they'll squeeze that engine into the US 500.
    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...39673&id=41304

    I don't know about yours, but my '18 500 doesn't like being constantly restarted. I imagine, with eTorque, they could raise the tranny final ratio w/o losing acceleration. I think that'd give a decent bump to the 500's MPG.
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    The European, South American, Jeep Renegade.

    There are lots of You Tube videos about the Fire fly 3 banger engine.

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    I read somewhere that even with the new FireFly engine, the Multi-Air brick can and still will be used for some applications.

    Is that correct?

    BTW, I must repeat that with the normally aspirated 1.4L i can get 46mpg. on the highway with my BMC drop in filter.

    I would love to see what I could do with a Twin Air.

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    If I understand the article @ Fiat500USA, the Firefly uses Mutiair III, so the brick remains?

    The 500 is geared for max fun, not MPG. If they offered the 6 speed, MPG could be improved. I don't think Fiat wanted to compete against the similarly sized eco-boxes I see running around town.
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    I thought I read that for the 500, engine will stay at 1.4T until it's ready for full electric version ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post
    If I understand the article @ Fiat500USA, the Firefly uses Mutiair III, so the brick remains?

    The 500 is geared for max fun, not MPG. If they offered the 6 speed, MPG could be improved. I don't think Fiat wanted to compete against the similarly sized eco-boxes I see running around town.
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    "Silent chain".....

    Hmmm......

    Is the head still cast iron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koreanadian View Post
    I thought I read that for the 500, engine will stay at 1.4T until it's ready for full electric version ...
    Fiat isn't talking about NA, so far as I know. If the ICE 500 isn't discontinued, I'd guess we'll get the new engine. Of course, there are rumors the ICE might be dropped in favor of the 500e, but I doubt we'll know for another year. It'd make sense... make one to run them all. (The Firefly 3 and 4 cylinder engines have many parts in common.)

    I bought my '18 because I wasn't sure the '19 would arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by map View Post

    The current 500X gets approx 1 MPG bump (combined MPG) compared to the 2.4L, and a 2 MPG loss vs the 1.4L. Part of the loss could be the new AWD? Etorque should help bump city MPG. I wonder if they'll squeeze that engine into the US 500.
    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...39673&id=41304
    The new Firefly 1.3L is both more fuel efficient and powerful than the 2.4L and the 1.4L. The government listings in the link fail to note the 2018 1.4L and 2.4L they use are front wheel drive, not AWD like the 2019 (FWD is no longer offered in 2019).... they compared apple's with oranges. The info is buried under "Specs" but I'd wager a Washington or two most people won't check it out.

    A 2018 2.4L 500X AWD is rated 21 city, 29 highway, 24 combined. The 2019 is 24 city (it uses start/stop technology), 30 highway, 26 combined ... a nice improvement in my book. And it promises to be quicker too with over 200 lb/ft of torque (210 iirc) and it's down low in the power band where it will do the most good. It's early yet but with better mpg and more power it looks like a win win to me.

    Could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but my guess is that we're unlikely to see Etorque in FIAT's because of cost and packaging considerations - FWD cars don't have much space to spare under the hood unlike the Ram trucks that do use it.
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    Well according to yahoo, they say 1.3T plus mild hybrid = 1.3T with etorque . It’s so vague on details. I would like to see hp/ torque and mpg figures on this new engine.

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