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    Suspension feel is very subjective.

    Spring rate is one thing to consider and valving is another.

    My experience with Neuf + Koni was terrible......esp the rear.....I was almost guaranteed to hit the bumpstop on rough roads and riding the bumpstop is no fun. And that is in spite of the short polyurethane bumpstop from EC.

    Getting the spring rate and valving to work harmoniously is a challenge in it self that is why coilovers became a necessity for enthusiast. The adjustment part is what makes coilovers worth its price altho’ no guarantee to satisfy.

    The best would really to get a ride on different combos and see which compromise you can handle.

    Shocks and coilover guarantee is tricky......there is a big wear and tear component to it. So easy for them to deny coverage. But I understand peace if mind is priceless.

    Affordable replacement shocks or rebuild cost would be a better thing to consider IMHO if you plan to keep the car for some time. In this regard DIY’fers will definitely benefit from this.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    I'm surprised you thought the koni neu springs were terrible. I thought the neu springs were fairly conservative height wise and rates. I would never say my abarth rides nice. It was terrible stock. But koni vogtland is probably an improvement on the rear. My bumstips are cut about an inch in back. Never ever hit bumpstops and koni do a pretty good job controlling body movement. My experience with coilovers, nothing am abarth mind you, is that they are usually pretty bad for a street car. And customers with high end ones, professionally setup have had some.good results, but they wouldnt have got those on some kw, or st or whatever. I've always been happy with bilstein and koni struts and a moderate spring on street cars and I hit as many track daya as my time allows.
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    Neuf rear spring rate is too soft for the height or length it has. If you put too high of a spring rate I am not sure if the Koni Sports can handle/control it without revalving the shocks. My BC Racing has 5k spring rate and with 4 clicks from the softest is what I found decent for the roads I travel to go to work.
    The best coilovers I have ever have were the Ohlins in my old 2006 Miata NC and the AFCO in my 99 Miata. The ability to adjust both rebound and dampening made the cars really compose on rough roads. Of course nothing beats proper shock travel range. As I said......compromise.
    Your Vogtland springs have better spring rate and design than the Neuf......also sits a bit higher for more shock travel. Neuf is good for stance and glass smooth roads.
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    Huh. I thought the neu springs were popular for this car for a decent ride. I didnt see much info on the vogtland, but I've liked them on 2 other cars I owned. Never had a bad experience with bilstein or koni shocks and struts when paired with a conservative spring. I've found, and, miata is a great example, that a lot of these that have quite a bit of lean from the factory in corners, lose their great handling characteristics when you eliminate it. Miata becomes a yawing devil when you get really stiff with it.
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    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Besides the suspension kits, you can improve the ride with a switch in tires. I put Michelin Pilot AS/3s on my car after the OEM Pirellis reached the end of their lives. The gummier tread feels softer than the brick like PZeros. They're also very quiet.
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    Yea, I'd rather have a model a ride than lose all the feel, response and grip of a max performance. All seasons are the equivalent of getting your car drunk.
    2013 abarth
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    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saponetta View Post
    Yea, I'd rather have a model a ride than lose all the feel, response and grip of a max performance. All seasons are the equivalent of getting your car drunk.
    Hardly.

    For one, I'm not getting two sets of rims and tires, but FWIW, this particular compound, at least to me, leans more to warm weather use. They get a bit "puckish" in the cold, but not as bad as an out and out summer tire.

    This is a very good tire. Great grip, ride quality, and even with the stock exhaust, noticeably quieter. I don't know anyone whose been unhappy with them.
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    dont laugh, but my next tires will be these: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

    EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06 - 24/45/16

    eventually, it sure would be nice to have 15" or even 14" rims and lower the car and have super expensive shocks/springs to handle everything i run into...but for now..this is where im at hah

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    Just wondering if you ever installed the Continental DWS-06 on your car? Curious what you think about them on the Fiat. I had the Continentals my Audi TT Quattro and was really pleased with them. Out of the 5 or 6 sets Iíve had on the Audi, the Continentals where by far the best, but also the most aggressive. Couldnít get more than 20K out of them, but it was mainly back roads with spirited driving, so I didnít mind too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodharma View Post
    vogtland only offers a ONE year warranty. thats a no go for me, and the other coilover options are expensive and significantly harsher...so i guess koni+eibach pro-kit is the final choice.

    thanks again.
    Thank goodness you went this route rather than the coilovers recommended to you...
    If you were to get coilovers you would need something that had dampening adjustment like BC or a few other brands... the ones you were recommended werent once i would personally buy myself...

    Another thing that should help if you are using the 17 inch wheel is a smaller wheel like the stock 16 inch wheels like some other abarths came with.
    Im planning on buying some 16s for the crap roads in california and saving my 17s for the track...

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