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    NEED help deciding for best "absorbing" and "comfort" on rough NJ roads

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    I live in NJ. I'm not a "car guy" that knows how to DIY. I will be going to professionals for this install.

    The roads here are annoying. Potholes once in a while, ridges in the roads, and need new shocks anyway.

    Eurocompulsion helped me narrow it down to these two setups for comfort and absorption of rough conditions etc.. They said this is the best results they get for people in NY/NJ area.

    Please, can you tell me which you all think will be better for a more absorbing effect over rough roads/bumps? I know it's down to these two--I do trust the guys at EC. Keep in mind I have the Neu-F rear torsion bar if that matters.

    Thank you everyone. I really hope I can get a fair amount of opinions on this (and hope even more I see a clear side on this).

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    Just a small update: Eurocompulsion employee I've been speaking to recommended the vlogtland coilovers when I asked again which he recommends out of these two. Also informed me I only need the isolators and strut mounts (no bump stops) with that setup. It's starting to seem very worth it for the price. Coilovers+isolators+new strut mounts = $946.97 USD. Any input greatly appreciated still, though!!
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    Coilovers will be realllllllly rough on NY NJ roads. Teeth shattering. ANY coilover.

    These cars have very little side wall + stiff springs...honestly, if you want a smoother ride, best to get some sort of truck / SUV. I spent 10 years in NYC and there is no cure for the NY/NJ roads. Sorry, just being honest here.

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    The big question is do you want to lower your car? If not, the best riding suspension will be the factory struts and shocks. If you are lowering the car, the springs with the least amount of drop will generally have the best ride, because when you lower the suspension you lose suspension travel. I can't read the images clearly, but if you told EC you want a smooth ride with the least drop I'm sure they will steer you right. They're local to NYC so know the roads.

    I picked up Eibach ProKit springs and Koni rear shocks from EC (my car was pretty new and the front struts were good) and the car's ride is similar to stock, and has a nice drop. My goal was to lower my car but not totally destroy the ride as I live in NY, too. The guys at EC can tell you the difference between the Eibachs and the H&R's I see in the image. The main thing is you tell them exactly what you are looking for.

    If it is comfort, though and not a drop, I would be look more towards conventional struts/shocks and conventional bushings and not poly bushings and coilovers. Coilovers need to be setup by someone who really knows what they are doing with them. In the Northeast, the height adjustment can freeze up due to corrosion unless you maintain them and get a high quality set. Most people get them, set them once and never adjust them again, which may negate some of the height adjustment advantage.

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    Fiat500USA I appreciate the response. Honestly I don't mind a drop in the car, and EC told me that either these setup would be best choice for aftermarket keeping my goals in mind (got better pics for you):

    1) https://imgur.com/12BqIv6 vogtland coilovers (will be without the bumpstops he said those aren't needed with this setup)

    2) this setup: https://imgur.com/3Yi2p3T koni shocks+HR springs

    i'm not willing to stick with stock springs and shocks because, well, they pretty much aren't as strong as either of these choices. ALSO, im 99% sure the bushings on my rear shocks went and that's the reason i have a shopping cart type of rattle when i drive my car over certain bumps (especially ones like dimpled crosswalks or ridges in the road). thats what got me to write to EC. i want something that is going to last me a long time. i also believe all the products i listed here have lifetime warranties. (much better than what fiat is willing to back the OEM products with :P and im assuming because they know its much stronger).


    THAT ALL BEING SAID, it's not like i mind the car dropping a bit, it's moreso at this point which do you all think will be MORE comfortable? here is what EC told me regarding these products with regard to comfort/tolerance/absorbing traits, then my resposne, and then their final statement:
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    EC: "For rough roads, and the components I recommend to NY guys here are the following two setups.

    Koni/H&R springs or the Vogtland Coilover kit we have had the best success with either setup."

    ME: "Which one would provide MORE absorbing traits? the coilovers or the koni+H&R springs? I don't mind spending a couple hundred extra if it's going to do me justice in the long run!

    I am seriously very grateful for the help you're giving me. Thank you."

    EC: "
    Both setups are forgiving. We have the vogtlands on our Shop Abarth and have driven the car cross country and completed two road trips to and from tennesee with them and they have been the most road compliant coilover to date. They are very good especially for the money. I like them a lot."
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    Which is why I am here--I want some more opinion between these two choices now. Looking forward to hearing what you feel is the better choice Fiat500USA. anyone else please do chime in on WHICH OF THESE TWO CHOICES would be "more comfortable" "absorbing" and/or "tolerant" on the well known rough NY/NJ area roads?

    I appreciate the guidance.
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    Having suspension change is a compromise.....with coilovers you can adjust the height as you please but since you are going to need professional help you may want to factor in the cost of going back and forth for adjustments. Konis are nice since they are also rebuildable......Vogtland coilovers are not.
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    none of this answered my question, but thank you for that side note :P

    i am honestly torn 50/50 between both at this point. but now that you mentioned it, i do think the koni's+HR springs will take less time to find the sweet spot (aka less visits to the shop and less money possibly).

    but again--for now THE QUESTION IS: [COLOR=#333333]WHICH OF THESE TWO CHOICES would be "more comfortable" "absorbing" and/or "tolerant" on the well known rough NY/NJ area roads?

    Vogtland coilovers?
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    KONI shock/strut+HR Springs?
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    [COLOR=#333333]thank you very much again anyone/everyone that helps me :X
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    In short it could be subjective when it comes to what is comfortable.......see if you can take a ride with someone here close to you then you can decide which of the two you want to pick. Vogtland coilovers are known to have a good ride and is height adjustable.......Koni + Eibach is also a good combo but not height adjustable. Either of the two will be a good compromise.
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    Look I really appreciate it but it seems you didn't read my post.

    The TWO CHOICES are vogtland coilovers OR koni shocks+HR springs. i never mentioned eibach springs.

    i very clearly defined what comfortable means to me in this post--the most absorbant/tolerant of rough roads in new jersey. you dont have to be from new jersey to understand what that means, though. potholes here and there, ridges in the road everywhere. cracks etc...you know--rough roads.

    again--if anyone has an actual input ON WHAT I AM ASKING i would really appreciate it. why does this happen on every forum (seem to remember this happening on computer forums as well)?

    i'm being VERY SPECIFIC HERE. vogtland coilovers: https://shopeurocompulsion.net/colle...il-over-system

    OR

    KONI SHOCKS w/ H&R Springs: https://shopeurocompulsion.net/colle...wering-springs (HR springs..assuming everyone here already knows about konis)

    would sincerely appreciate if we can just get "i think this one" or "i think that one" IN TERMS OF:

    1) ABILITY TO HANDLE ROUGHER ROADS/being tolerant of bumps (which will last longer)

    2) being more absorbant (even if that means they aren't as soft as stock equipment--thats not what im asking), and a brief reason why.

    i'm not looking for any other input unless you can at least answer those at this point :/

    EDIT/NOTE: lasting longer is actually more important to me. i am reading online that koni+HR springs will last longer than coilovers? this is the opposite of what my instict was telling me...appreciate the help.
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    I wouldn't be too critical of the forum or the people who took the time to try and help as that turns people off from posting. We are pretty helpful here. It is a conversation, though, as no one knows exactly what you know or don't know so each posts helps move you closer to the info you want and helps others who are doing research just like you.

    You state you are "not a car guy" so people are giving you sound info based on that. Also "NEED help deciding for best "absorbing" and "comfort" on rough NJ roads" and then getting a lowered sports suspension system raises some flags because all these suspensions ride harder than stock, so people just want to make you aware of that.

    Upgrading your shocks with the Konis, but keeping the stock springs and rubber bushings and bump stops will give the best ride of the parts posted. The Konis are stiffer than stock, but they are more durable than stock which seems what you want. The stock springs last so I wouldn't worry about the durability unless they are sagging from the worn out shocks or are rusted badly or cracked. Poly bushings are harsher than stock. They may last longer but that's a trade-off you have to make.

    If you just want to choose between the two choices, the Konis and the H&R will be the best for ride in my experience (assuming the H&R aren't the stiffest or lowest ones they offer). In general, nobody buys coilovers because they want a smoother ride. That's the least of their purposes. If you don't care about the height adjustability, they will largely be a waste.

    The post above that says to try to go for a ride is an excellent suggestion. EC is local to NYC and I'm sure they'd try to accomodate you. Good luck and let us know how you like you new suspension.
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    I've been running the H&R / Koni set up for the past 2 years and over 20k miles. Yes an improvement over stock ride. Yes as compliant as stock shocks when set at softest settings. However, it still feels stiiff when riding over rough pavement., even stiffer than stock setup. A lot of this is due to the short wheelbase, relatively light weight of he car, and less suspension travel due to shorter H&R springs.

    I've been contemplating going with the Vogtland coilovers - not to go lower but to improve the ride quality. However, I haven't been able to find anyone local to me with this setup for a test drive.

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