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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    The 500 isn't intended as a fuel economy champ /econobox. It is made to be a fun, cool lifestyle car, much like a how a motorcycle is thought of. This is the hardest thing for traditional American car buyers (and even dealership personnel and some owners) to wrap their heads around. Even Fiat USA eventually caved into the notion on the Pop and Lounge in 2013 when they raised the final drive ratio to boost fuel economy. Originally the ratios were chosen to make the car fun to drive. They kept those ratios on the Sport.

    Here's a link to the specs as an FYI: http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/09/20...e-vehicle.html
    those ratios barely changed the mpg. having driven both version it was hard to tell any difference. at any rate, many of us loved the notion that we could have a car than easily got 40+ mpg (with the 5 speed manual),was fun to drive, and stylish. that was a combination that barely exists in the USA. Maybe that was a winning combination. they sure sold a good amount of manuals when they were selling 30,000+ 500's, and the vast majority of those were not turbos. its not an either or proposition, imo. If gas started creeping up toward $4 Id say the 500 could have been well positioned with the higher mileage 500's. American are willing to go for some fun and quirky style, but they arent willing to give up the one thing a tiny car should do well, and thats to be fuel efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panther76 View Post
    those ratios barely changed the mpg. having driven both version it was hard to tell any difference. at any rate, many of us loved the notion that we could have a car than easily got 40+ mpg (with the 5 speed manual),was fun to drive, and stylish. that was a combination that barely exists in the USA. Maybe that was a winning combination. they sure sold a good amount of manuals when they were selling 30,000+ 500's, and the vast majority of those were not turbos. its not an either or proposition, imo. If gas started creeping up toward $4 Id say the 500 could have been well positioned with the higher mileage 500's. American are willing to go for some fun and quirky style, but they arent willing to give up the one thing a tiny car should do well, and thats to be fuel efficient.
    But it was just enough to appease the cry babies and bumped the mileage to 31/40 mpg (city/hwy) from 30/38 mpg (city/hwy)

    If it mattered, most owners who knew how to drive for fuel economy could hit or exceed 40 mpg, but it was just a matter of getting it on the Monroney label.

    Here's my lifetime average on my Abarth, which is pretty remarkable seeing I rarely drive on the highway, and have a rural commute on hills with lots of stop signs, etc.:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    But it was just enough to appease the cry babies and bumped the mileage to 31/40 mpg (city/hwy) from 30/38 mpg (city/hwy)

    If it mattered, most owners who knew how to drive for fuel economy could hit or exceed 40 mpg, but it was just a matter of getting it on the Monroney label.

    Here's my lifetime average on my Abarth, which is pretty remarkable seeing I rarely drive on the highway, and have a rural commute on hills with lots of stop signs, etc.:

    ...and i had lots of fun with my pop and sport (non turbos manuals) and got a lifetime average of 43.7 mpg. I didnt even have to work at it. thats close to hybrid territory except hybrids are boring to drive and boring to look at. (many of them, anyway). fiat was never going to survive hear on ONLY the lifestyle factor. even those that "get it" can concern themselves with practicalities like gas mileage. FCA cant claim to have made good choices with their offerings of the 500 as evidenced by the 500 dying on the vine.

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    They should cancel the standard 500 and just sell the Arbath. I owned a Prima Edizione #132 and now a 2017 Arbath. No comparison. ARbath is the killer Fiat car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panther76 View Post
    how so? they sell a mini car with a highway rating of 34 mpg. unless they are prepared to bring us models that they've shown zero inclination to bring us, I dont see high gas prices helping fiat sales when folks can buy larger cars with better mileage numbers.
    People think when they see a small car it gets better fuel economy. Then when they see an Abarth they think sporty and better fuel economy. Amazed at how they wont even look to see the mpg listed on the sticker and just think because its small it gets great mpg.
    Im not a Mopar guy...Im a FCA guy...Im so happy Fiat took Chrysler under its wing! With that said I have a good collection of FCA cars.

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    Yeah, I have a pretty well rehearsed script for when people inevitably ask me "wow, I bet that thing gets great gas mileage!" Pretty similar to what FIAT500USA posted. "That's not how the engineers designed the gearing or power delivery, and certainly not why I bought it"

    I think HWY miles are actually worse for us 5MT guys. Running 3psi+ boost at 3000rpm+ for hours straight isn't exactly efficient. I get my best mileage on twisty ~60mph B-roads despite giving it the beans when I hit a fun looking corner.

    Still, my buddy just picked up an S5 and I'm a little salty that he gets better MPG than me with twice the HP from the 4.2L V8...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ando View Post
    Still, my buddy just picked up an S5 and I'm a little salty that he gets better MPG than me with twice the HP from the 4.2K V8 ....
    ..... but your wallet is a lot better off than his. You got me curious so I looked the S5 up- 21 city/30 highway, 24 combined and not far off our Abarth's 28 city/33 highway, 30 combined. For a 349hp V8 that's extremely impressive but considering the S5 costs twice what our Abarths do ($50k to $60k range) I wouldn't expect anything less.

    Still getting used to the Abarth but so far it has exceeded my expectations. I'm struck by how it's so different it is than my previous 500 Sport. Feels a lot more solid ... gotta be something else more than the strut tower brace. Corners flatter, stops better and feels like a AA/ Top Fueler compared to the Sport.

    34 mpg first tankful, 30 on most of the others and couple at 28/29 while I was checking out the Sport button. For fun for the $ the 500 Abarth is tough to beat imho. The S5 may be twice the price but I doubt its twice the fun.
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