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    Input Shaft Seal Carnage

    Hello everyone. I've got a 2013 abarth, 75K miles. She's got some serious problems and hasn't been drive-able for several months now. Started with a whirring coming from the transmission (throw out bearing dying) and ended with a completely nonfunctional clutch. The cause, at this point, I believe to be a blown input shaft seal, which sprayed the clutch assembly with trans fluid and completely drained the transmission of fluid. Now I must replace the clutch assembly and throw out bearing at a minimum, but I am sure there will be more as I do not yet know the cause of the blown seal.


    Financially, this will be really difficult for me, I can barely afford the parts, and I absolutely cannot afford to take it to the dealer, I will have to do this 14 hour job myself. Warranty is out of the question. I guess i'm just looking for advice on the best way to go about doing this, and if there are any options I have to save money. I have already purchased the throw out bearing and proper trans fluid. I will also need the technical walkthroughs if anyone has any, if not, I will have to purchase them.


    Thanks in advance.

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    You'll need to replace more than the throw-out bearing. If indeed the input shaft seal failed, you'll need to obviously replace that. May as well replace the clutch too, because trust me, you'll never want to tackle this job more than once. If the clutch and friction plate got oil all over them you can't just clean those up. They must be replaced too.

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    Would it be best to get another transmission??? This sounds like an expensive feat and technical challenge....
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    Quote Originally Posted by venom View Post
    Would it be best to get another transmission??? This sounds like an expensive feat and technical challenge....
    Unless you operated the vehicle for several miles after having lost all the transmission gear oil; no. A clutch assembly and a throw-out bearing are generally considered maintenance components that just through use, wear out. Transmissions, not so much.

    That said, I won't lie to you. Even though small, getting the transmission in and out of these little cars is a PITA. That's why dealers and service centers charge much more than your average clutch job. Allow several days, pack your patience and avoid getting too frustrated. If you get stuck because the job doesn't seem to be going well, secure loose parts so you don't do more damage and walk away for a couple hours. Clean up and go have some lunch. For that matter, come back to it the next day with fresh perspective. In the end you'll have bloodied knuckles, bruises, maybe some scars, less hair, and will have invented some creative new swear words/terms. When the new clutch is back in the car and you drive away, you'll enjoy the sense of satisfaction that you did the work yourself and saved a boat load of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyfromVA View Post
    Unless you operated the vehicle for several miles after having lost all the transmission gear oil; no. A clutch assembly and a throw-out bearing are generally considered maintenance components that just through use, wear out. Transmissions, not so much.

    That said, I won't lie to you. Even though small, getting the transmission in and out of these little cars is a PITA. That's why dealers and service centers charge much more than your average clutch job. Allow several days, pack your patience and avoid getting too frustrated. If you get stuck because the job doesn't seem to be going well, secure loose parts so you don't do more damage and walk away for a couple hours. Clean up and go have some lunch. For that matter, come back to it the next day with fresh perspective. In the end you'll have bloodied knuckles, bruises, maybe some scars, less hair, and will have invented some creative new swear words/terms. When the new clutch is back in the car and you drive away, you'll enjoy the sense of satisfaction that you did the work yourself and saved a boat load of money.
    I've decided to attempt to overhaul the trans, replacing the front input shaft bearing, seal, and all gaskets in the process. I will be replacing the clutch assembly as well, of course. If there is damage to the gearing from lack of fluid, I'll replace the trans. I was able to track the down the seal and bearing from an overseas distributor, which took quite a bit of work, as you can't get them in the US unless you purchase a whole transaxle. I am relatively sure they are the correct parts and they were listed as being for the C510 fiat transaxle. We will see. Everything I discover throughout this process will be compiled into a massive walkthrough and posted on the forums, as no current documentation exists that I was able to track down. I ended up buying an alldata subscription to assist me.

    I have heard rumors that the transaxle can be pulled through the fenderwell without disassembly of the entire front half of the vehicle, however, attempting to track down anyone who has actually done this was unsuccessful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Automaton View Post
    I've decided to attempt to overhaul the trans, replacing the front input shaft bearing, seal, and all gaskets in the process. I will be replacing the clutch assembly as well, of course. If there is damage to the gearing from lack of fluid, I'll replace the trans. I was able to track the down the seal and bearing from an overseas distributor, which took quite a bit of work, as you can't get them in the US unless you purchase a whole transaxle. I am relatively sure they are the correct parts and they were listed as being for the C510 fiat transaxle. We will see. Everything I discover throughout this process will be compiled into a massive walkthrough and posted on the forums, as no current documentation exists that I was able to track down. I ended up buying an alldata subscription to assist me.

    I have heard rumors that the transaxle can be pulled through the fenderwell without disassembly of the entire front half of the vehicle, however, attempting to track down anyone who has actually done this was unsuccessful.
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