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    Dead '13 500e

    I'm looking to buy a '13E that has a serious (?) problem
    Seller only rarely used it and of course the 12V battery died.
    Now, even with a jump from another vehicle, the display wont go on.
    Accessories all work, but that's it.
    Seller took it to dealer who told her that about $12,000 would fix it !!!
    I was able to talk with the Tech who seems to know his stuff.
    He was unable to communicate with the Battery Controller, but tested the HV cables OK
    He says that when the 12V battery dies, the HV Battery attempts to charge it, causing arcing at the Battery Controller.
    He thinks that its going to need a new Battery Controller and possibly a new HV Battery in case the arcing has caused harm.
    Has anyone heard of this problem? Battery MAY still be under warranty unless the Controller killed it, which FCA would deem 'abuse'
    It was my impression the 12V battery is charged by the HV Battery, but only when car was 'ON"
    In that case the Tech's theory wouldnt make sense. Unfortunately, I didnt think of this while I was talking to him.
    Suggestions? ( I didnt buy it [yet] but Im intrigued)

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    =He says that when the 12V battery dies, the HV Battery attempts to charge it, causing arcing at the Battery Controller
    I don't have an answer, but await any input from other forum members. But one thing in what you wrote got my attention (I have a pretty good electronics background, specifically high voltage power supplies). Not knowing enough about how the system works without seeing schematics, I can't comment assuredly, but that line above got my attention. If that's how the system functions, that is, the HV battery has the duty to charge the 12V battery, then why would it suddenly arc at the component meant to perform that very task on a daily basis, dead or not? I would think the battery controller is protected against a worse case, maximum current draw scenario of a shorted 12V battery. At least, that's how I would have designed it.

    Ive read in numerous places the Bosch EV system is cloned for use in the BMW i3. Someone has to be sitting on a service manual somewhere.
    Last edited by Italcarfan; 02-20-2019 at 11:28 PM. Reason: bad grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italcarfan View Post
    why would it suddenly arc at the component meant to perform that very task on a daily basis, dead or not? I would think the battery controller is protected against a worse case, maximum current draw scenario of a shorted 12V battery. At least, that's how I would have designed it.
    Egg-Zactly !
    Seller is taking it to another Dealer to see if they come up with same diagnosis

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletricento View Post
    Egg-Zactly !
    Seller is taking it to another Dealer to see if they come up with same diagnosis
    Wise move. I can't shake the thought that the techs are equipped with a minimal amount of information and take the 'let's start swapping major components until it works' approach to repair. But that's understandable from my experience. Most companies only trust their field service engineers with a minimal amount of service and repair information, fearing it'll find its way into third parties and competition. Things like phone or text relayed service codes only good for 24 hours. I've seen it all.

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    dead 2014 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Italcarfan View Post
    Wise move. I can't shake the thought that the techs are equipped with a minimal amount of information and take the 'let's start swapping major components until it works' approach to repair. But that's understandable from my experience. Most companies only trust their field service engineers with a minimal amount of service and repair information, fearing it'll find its way into third parties and competition. Things like phone or text relayed service codes only good for 24 hours. I've seen it all.
    Have a 2014 500e. Lost the key. 12 volt battery went dead. Sat for a month. Sent to the dealer. Put a new battery in it. Said they could not fix it and come get it. Took it to another dealer. They did the software update. Said they could do no more. Would not attempt anything else. Have a dead 500e with 15,000 miles I would sell you. The 12 volt battery is charged by the DC to DC converter only when the key is on and the main battery contactor has opened the main battery pack. They are computer problems in this system. I have had this problem with the Nissan leaf and the Teslas. It took those companies years to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletricento View Post
    I'm looking to buy a '13E that has a serious (?) problem

    He says that when the 12V battery dies, the HV Battery attempts to charge it, causing arcing at the Battery Controller.
    He thinks that its going to need a new Battery Controller and possibly a new HV Battery in case the arcing has caused harm.
    The tech may be right - the Lithium battery and controller may be toast. If the Lithium battery attempted to maintain a charge on a dead 12v battery for an extended period, it can fully discharge the Lithium battery. Completely discharging a Lithium battery can lead to shorts and even a fire in the lithium battery. This does not cause a "draw" on the controller, but it could be a lightening strike if the output of the battery surged as a result. What's downstream of that lightening strike? The controller.

    To troubleshoot, I would test the high voltage battery or swap with a known good one. Likewise, you could swap with a known good controller. If you live outside California or Oregon, a dealer is not likely to have the ability to swap. Without communication to the controller or lithium battery, one could test the battery for 400V. If the mechanic did not test that, it's likely because they are not trained in high voltage (i.e electric/hybrid) work.

    What I'm about to say next is speculative. The most recent recall was issued in 2016, roughly 3 years after the first model year for the 500e. It addressed concerns with the Power Inverter Module (PIM), and states that it addresses the potential for voltage spikes that could render the car inoperable. 3 years seems to be the approximate life of the OEM 12V battery. The power inverter module is responsible for DC to AC conversion and 400V to 12v conversion. If the car sat unobserved for long periods, the 12v battery warning may have gone unnoticed and the lithium battery became completely depleted. This could cause a short, which could cause a voltage spike, which could fry a controller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by durtkillon View Post
    The most recent recall was issued in 2016, roughly 3 years after the first model year for the 500e.
    The most recent recall (more accurately a "campaign") was U69, issued September 2018.
    http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showt...TTERY-SOFTWARE

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