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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Reviews... View Post
    The only things that separates the Abarth from the 500T are, the load of Abarth badges (including the stripes) around the car, the aggressive exhaust, the turbo boost gauge, the more track focused interior, the Abarth tune the gives it more power, and old 500 Pop’s giant spoiler. That’s it. But, if you take a base Abarth, and put it next to the 500T, they look practically identical.
    There are many other differences. Steering rack, rear suspension, traction control etc but yes they look similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Reviews... View Post
    The only things that separates the Abarth from the 500T are, the load of Abarth badges (including the stripes) around the car, the aggressive exhaust, the turbo boost gauge, the more track focused interior, the Abarth tune the gives it more power, and old 500 Pop’s giant spoiler. That’s it. But, if you take a base Abarth, and put it next to the 500T, they look practically identical.
    There are more differences than you think.

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    There have been a few thread on this. Here is a quote from one:
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    It is and it isn't the same. Think of the 500T as a Sport with more power. As everyone knows it uses the same engine and trans as the Abarth, but with the suspension of the Sport. Obviously, everything could be changed over to Abarth specs, but the cars do have quite a few unique differences that would need to be addressed.

    Besides the engine calibrations and the trim changes, here are some other differences between the 500 Abarth and the 500T:


    • 40 percent stiffer spring rate and 0.6- inch (15 mm) lower ride height.
    • Abarth-designed cast iron front-lower control arms for improved lateral stiffness.*
    • Increased negative camber to -1.5 degrees.
    • Dual-valve Frequency Selective Damping (FSD) KONI front Struts.
    • 40 percent more torsionally rigid rear axle with strengthened coil-spring supports.
    • A 0.87-inch (22 mm) Abarth-specific solid rear-stabilizer bar.
    • 20 percent stiffer rear springs with 0.6-inch (15 mm) lower ride.
    • Abarth features a 15.1:1 (up from 16.3:1) steering-gear ratio for 10 percent quicker steering.
    • Uniquely tuned electronic power steering (EPS) calibration for increased steering response and feedback.
    • Abarth-tuned ESC system features a three-mode calibration to maximize handling capabilities on and off the track. When ESC is selected from “On” to “Partial Off” or “Full Off” on the instrument panel, the 500 Abarth’s Torque Transfer Control (TTC) system maximizes throttle performance during on-throttle cornering.



    *The 500T may also have the cast iron arms. Have to check.

    Admin note: it does
    The Abarth also doesn't have a muffler while the Turbo does.

    http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showt...500T-Vs-Abarth


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Reviews... View Post
    The only things that separates the Abarth from the 500T are, the load of Abarth badges (including the stripes) around the car, the aggressive exhaust, the turbo boost gauge, the more track focused interior, the Abarth tune the gives it more power, and old 500 Pops giant spoiler. Thats it. But, if you take a base Abarth, and put it next to the 500T, they look practically identical.
    in best trump voice: WRONG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markn1689 View Post
    in best trump voice: “WRONG!”
    the dudes talking about 'visible looks' i expect - mentioning every nut & bolt & trim piece & mini detail isnt really relevant...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Reviews... View Post
    The only things that separates the Abarth from the 500T are, the load of Abarth badges (including the stripes) around the car, the aggressive exhaust, the turbo boost gauge, the more track focused interior, the Abarth tune the gives it more power, and old 500 Pop’s giant spoiler. That’s it. But, if you take a base Abarth, and put it next to the 500T, they look practically identical.

    My post was addressing the "That's it" comment. I just want folks that come here to get accurate info, especially if something diminishes the value of our cars. Plus it's a good reminder of some of the detail differences for reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Reviews... View Post
    The only things that separates the Abarth from the 500T are, the load of Abarth badges (including the stripes) around the car, the aggressive exhaust, the turbo boost gauge, the more track focused interior, the Abarth tune the gives it more power, and old 500 Pop’s giant spoiler. That’s it. But, if you take a base Abarth, and put it next to the 500T, they look practically identical.
    Larger Brakes, shocks, suspension, tires, wheels, exhaust, seats, steering wheel, boost gauge, horse power. It’s sad the Abarth doesn’t stand out, any more. Styling wise. Unless you see the Abarth stripes, and notice the option 17”, and hear the exhaust note. The average person wouldn’t know the difference, from a Pop/Lounge 500 to a Abarth now.

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    Where I live, it’s like the Boxster or the 911: the car guys know the 911, everybody else; “oh, it’s a Porsche”
    lol
    2017 500 Abarth, manual trans, NAV, Beats, Sunroof, 17" wheels, everything. But no mods. None, nada.

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    Pretty funny to have the 500 Abarth be considered a "sleeper"! Just start it up and get on the gas, there will be no doubt.
    Completely stock 2016 500 Abarth, Rhino & Nero

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    Maybe, if a person has actually heard an Abarth before. 3 or 4 Abarths appeared locally for the first time this year. Without looking at the decals, they are rather hard to ID in stock form; have to check the dual exhaust. The 18/19 Pop does a fair imitation, especially with the muffler delete. Even w/o the delete, local car guys sometimes confuse the 2 models.

    Most of the local 500's are older pops, many running steelies w/o the hubcaps, so are easy to ID. I asked a couple guys about that. Apparently the factory hubcaps don't stay attached.
    Last edited by map; 09-21-2020 at 11:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfPint View Post
    Pretty funny to have the 500 Abarth be considered a "sleeper"! Just start it up and get on the gas, there will be no doubt.
    Just don’t get into a drag race, with a 2020 Honda Odyssey minivan. With a baby aboard sign of the window. You might be able to take it on in the quarter mile.

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    Even monster SUV’s are fast these days.

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    Last edited by smark; 09-21-2020 at 12:19 PM.

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