When should we expect 2019 fiat 500x to arrive to dealership?

[5port]

The only main question I can’t find a answer to that is burning me up is “what should I expect the 0-60 time be?” I hope it feels a little quicker or just about as fast. I would like to see 0-60 between 6.2-8.7 I think fiat need be between that range. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for. What do you guys think ? Fiat

I'm betting that its going to be a wash between the 2.4L and the 1.3 Firefly when it comes to 0-60 (8.5 motorweek). It may be as quick as the 1.4L FWD (7.8). It could end up costing the owner more to fill-up. Some of the European reviews are not happy with the actual gas mileage.

Interesting video by EE why replacing a large displacement N/A engine with a small displacement turbo engine doesn't always work out:

[Volfy]

For me, it's not so much raw acceleration numbers, but a matter of powertrain refinement. The 2.4L Tigershark + 9sp auto has the get-up-n-go if I really whomp it, but it just feels rough and clunky. Even at mid-throttle moderate acceleration, it isn't hard to feel the abruptness of the first few gear shifts. When I drive our 500X, I tend to make a very conscious effort to nurse the accel pedal very carefully, because I just don't want to feel that un-refinement, which is so out-of-character with the rest of the charming and wonderful car.

With other brands' cute utes, the shifts are practically imperceptible... just a nice smooth acceleration from stand still to hwy speed, in just about any throttle setting except ball-to-the-wall.

I hope the torque rich 1.3L turbo would do better in this regard.

[neubauerjoseph]

Hum, you could be right. I don’t need it to be super fast like a FCA brother. Hellcat I am looking at you, but I am looking for a fair amount of speed and good passing power. And maybe they could bring a abarth, for those who demand it and buy it. I see more and more sports suv and cuv so maybe now is the time to bring one to market.

[5port]

2019 Renegade review. Motortrend says nine speed is more refined. Flrefly not lighting a fire. In fairness though Jeeps are heavy.

It looks like Jeep left 20 ft lbs of torque off the table. Maybe FCA is saving that for the Abarth.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep...f-the-firefly/

[KellyfromVA]

I'm intrigued by some of the proposed changes for the new engine, because the 'Tiger Shark' engine is a buzzy, sluggish, pig.

* Replacing the camshaft belt with a chain. Great idea.
* Roller bearings for the camshaft could be good in theory, but if cheap bearings are sourced could be a big problem as the miles pile up. Ask Ford who started using roller lifters in their 6.7 diesels and had many catastrophic engine failures because of cheap roller bearings.
* Adding a balance shaft will be an improvement because the harmonics of an in-line 4 cylinder engine is just hard to balance without one.
* Not so sure about liquid cooled EGR. That has been a long-standing failure point with turbo diesel engines which run coolant through the egr system. If not maintained (and we know how people maintain vehicles these days), coolant could leak into the EGR system and cause catastrophic engine failure. From an engineering standpoint it makes perfect sense, because one can run the EGR system at optimized higher temps, keeping hydrocarbon emissions down much easier. Problem is; it makes the emissions system so much more complicated.
* Dual scroll turbo is a great improvement over single like the 1.4. Better yet, if they keep the intake runners short, there is very little 'turbo lag'.

[neubauerjoseph]

Well, here are some of my thoughts it sounds like it’s going to be more proformance, with the duel scroll turbo, but I think they will be more reliable. As least with my Infiniti they have replaced timing belts with the chains. The silent type. As what they told me is they are supposed to last 100k miles. But mine was replaced at 65k miles on a recall. So I got about 50k miles with it. So back to the new firefly. I think it should last longer but certain parts when they wear out it will cost a bit to replace. So that is my thoughts.