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    2013 fiat 500 Pop, P1064 P106B P0304

    Happy New Year Fiat 500 owners,
    I am trying to help out someone I just met who has a 2013 fiat 500 Pop Automatic with 33,000 miles on it.


    Ive been trying to understand what occurred when she had multiple mechanics try and fix her Fiat issues.


    First, the car was losing power and stuttered and basically stopped right in front of a repair garage. The mechanic over the course of 8 visits replaced a coolant line and reset the codes numerous times. I am going to assume the car got hot due to loss of coolant. (He charged her $1000).


    The second mechanic attempted to fix her car by replacing the fan and in discussing with her, (in her best description) it sounds like he removed the valve cover (to inspect?) and then proceeded to pour something into the coolant reservoir. I am assuming K-Seal or some other gasket in a bottle cr-p. Nice.

    fast forward


    So, Here are the permanent codes I pulled with my OBD2 / iPhone rig:
    P1064
    P106B
    P0304 cylinder 4 misfire detected


    The car basically died in her garage overnight. And has gone through stages of running then not running.
    Now it simply will not start. Turns over but no starty.


    I think it needs a compression check, leak down test and if easy to get to, an oil pressure check.
    It also needs a Fiat computer diagnosis, but under the financial circumstances probably aint gonna happen soon.


    First thought:
    The heat caused head gasket failure and variety of heat-related problems.
    However oil looks ok, no mocha latte going on.
    Side note: she feels this all started a week after she had her oil changed. I looked at the receipt and according to the notes, the shop used a 5w30 synthetic oil and OE filter, as well as adding BG CF5 Fuel System Cleaner additive to system. I do not know where they added it (ahem, assuming tank).


    Second thought:
    Perhaps a VVA valve on cyl 4 is stuck. (I assume this means pulling the head)


    Third Thought:
    Fuel rail has an issue or valve body is stuck. Gas cap appears to be OK.


    Fourth Thought:
    The oil change created an issue. Collapsed filter. Wrong oil type. Dirty particles clogging oil passages.
    Maybe oil change nicked the water line causing coolant problem..ooof.


    Fifth thought:
    O2 Sensors causing all of this phantom trouble. Cam or crank position sensor failure.


    Anyone else have this series of codes and have found a solution? I dont know about this engine but have done plenty of work on our 02 Mini.

    Thanks for any help.

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    Anyone have a similar issue with codes?

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    Not had those codes, but my gut suggests a problem with the multi-air unit. P106B indicates an oil pressure issue, P1061 is a problem with the MA cylinder 1, P0304 is a misfire in cylinder 4.

    I would:
    - Check/change the battery as these cars go a little nuts if the battery is weak.
    - Check/change the oil to make sure it's the best it can be.
    - Clean the multi-air filter (which means taking everything apart).
    - Pray the multi-air brick is okay as it's very expensive to replace.
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    Do you mean MultiAir oil strainer?
    https://newalfaparts.co.uk/home/506-multi-air-oil-strainer.html



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    Yes that's it. I guess it's a strainer in the UK and a filter over here.

    This is a long video but shows how to get at the filter, around 15 minutes is where the filter change itself is done.

    2013 500c Abarth - phase 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by texanbrit View Post
    Not had those codes, but my gut suggests a problem with the multi-air unit. P106B indicates an oil pressure issue, P1061 is a problem with the MA cylinder 1, P0304 is a misfire in cylinder 4.

    I would:
    - Check/change the battery as these cars go a little nuts if the battery is weak.
    - Check/change the oil to make sure it's the best it can be.
    - Clean the multi-air filter (which means taking everything apart).
    - Pray the multi-air brick is okay as it's very expensive to replace.
    To add-on to what Tex mentioned; one more simple thing to try: Remove the battery and tray, then disconnect the three main ground connections under the battery tray. Clean all the terminal lugs, nuts and washers until shiny, Put everything back together and clear all the codes.

    These cars are very touchy about battery voltage and current. A weak battery or compromised ground connection will make it really make it act squirrelly (technical term). There have been other folks who have posted similar intermittent problems on this site. For whatever reason, it seems the dealerships miss this simple fix.

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    Thanks texanbrit! Wow, This is an incredible video!! I feel like I know this head better now. Can the brick be removed and parts replaced without having to replace the entire unit? Seems like clogged oil passages, broken springs can also be a part of failure.

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    This could actually be the issue as well. One of the previous mechanics replaced the fan and there might be a disconnect in the chain. Or a "finger tight" ground.
    Last edited by sparkyj; 01-05-2019 at 02:35 AM.

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    OK, I currently have the car at my house now where I can do further tests.
    I'm charging the battery at the moment and will check those grounds first.

    Ran codes again last night with another software tool and now showing one new code (see last one):


    P1064-00
    CYLINDER 4 OIL SUPPLY SOLENOID VALVE STUCK


    P106B-00
    CYLINDER 4 OIL SUPPLY SOLENOID VALVE SWITCH ON TIME OUT OF RANGE


    P0304-00
    CYLINDER 4 MISFIRE


    P1524-00
    OIL PRESSURE OUT OF RANGE - CAMSHAFT ADVANCE/RETARD DISABLED

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    The engine, when starting the ignition has the "freewheeling" sound, like there is no compression at all. is this the nature of the multiAir brick? If there is no oil pressure, would it even be possible to do a compression test? I was planning on doing a compression test sometime today or tomorrow.

    If this was an oil pump issue or clogged oil strainer, would we see failure across all solenoids? or does the error code typically pick up Cylinder 4 as the culprit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyj View Post
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    If this was an oil pump issue or clogged oil strainer, would we see failure across all solenoids? or does the error code typically pick up Cylinder 4 as the culprit?
    There is a small oil reservoir in the valve actuator block that feeds oil to the intake valve actuators. If for some reason the reservoir was starved or drained of oil, none of the valve actuators would open any of the intake valves. Assuming your #4 actuator was the only one that failed, the engine should still start and run on three cylinders, but would throw codes like you're seeing. That said as previously mentioned; these ECU's throw some misleading codes if there electrical issues like low battery or corroded vehicle grounds. After you disassemble and physically clean all three of the ground connections under the battery tray, then clear the codes and see if it will run.

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