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    Hello Banger, and welcome to the forum. We've had our DDCT equipped 2014 500L Trekking for about 4 and a half years now, 44.5K miles on her with only a few minor issues that have either been handled either by the dealer, or in the case of erratic turn signal stalk behavior, by myself (just sprayed some contact cleaner in the area at the base of the stock). It's had the new shifter installed (a recall item), along with a couple of program flashes (shift control module, engine control module- as I recall, anyway). That was done about 4 years ago, and the transmission has functioned well for us ever since. That said, the Aisin slush box is no doubt a better match for typical American driving habits.

    I remember test driving a 2015 500L that had the Aisin, and at the time I remember thinking I liked our DDCT better, in particular in how it felt more connected, more like a manual (which of course the DDCT is, essentially, shifted automatically). On the '15 I remember having to feed a lot of throttle before it would accelerate with any gusto. (Coach Rick- as owner of a '15 and a '17 500L, I'm curious if you note any difference in how the two transmissions behave, and if they behave roughly the same, was there ever an update to the '15's shift programming?).

    I've more recently test driven a 2018 500L Trekking, and I really liked the Aisin in its current form- better than our DDCT in fact. Whether there's a difference between the '17 and the '18's programming, I don't know, but I thought the Aisin's behavior in the '18 was exemplary- couldn't ask for better (at least based on a 10 minute test drive). Beyond that, my impression of the updates made to the '18 500L's interior is very positive, and (for me) I'd be really tempted to pay the premium over the price of a '17, esp. if you can get a good discount. Our local dealer has a 2018 500L Trekking (orange with black pano roof) advertised for just over $20K (list around 28K, so it's loaded). Most likely I wouldn't qualify for all the discounts that allow such a low price, but still it'd be tempting.

    In the end though, I don't think you could go wrong with either a '17 or an '18, imo they're really excellent (and largely unappreciated) cars. Good luck with your purchase decision.

    Addendum: Paid my local dealer a visit just to say hi and make an appointment for the 40K mile service, and took a 2018 500L Lounge out, this time for just 4 miles or so. What sticks with me is that the interior that seems so well done now- some thoughtful touches, such as a much bigger center armrest storage area, the newest version of the uconnect, the instrument binacle (much improved) and very nicely shaped leather-wrapped steering wheel, plus the leather seats, which seem to be of a higher grade leather than in the past, and are very comfortable. Really like the interior, and also liked the more immediate response of the engine from a stop, the lighter steering effort, and the brakes that seem a little less sensitive than the brakes of earlier model years' I've posted on my impressions of an '18 from an earlier test drive, so this is just a little reaffirming of my earlier impressions. The general feeling, to me, is of a significantly improved car. The '18 seems so well turned out now- a quality car that requires little if any special accommodation on the part of the driver. Hope I can talk the wife into trading up.
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    I removed a couple of posts before we got into a back and forth. Points were made there. Let's carry on!

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    ronbo10, the one 500L I've seen in my hometown is a '14 with the Euro Twin-Clutch trans, and the owner reports it's been exemplary. My theory goes if you're not often sitting in traffic or long drive-thru lines, you probably have a much lower chance of catastrophic failure. Wouldn't hurt to put it in neutral when in those situations, and I'm sure most people don't.

    The '17 Trekking we test drove had real grabby brakes and a somewhat hard-shifting transmission to us, but again, we're used to the super-soft Nissan cubes in our driveway. I'm definitely interested in driving an '18 if only for its interior upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat500USA View Post
    I removed a couple of posts before we got into a back and forth. Points were made there. Let's carry on!
    I know its your site and prerogative Chris, but it seems like deleting the post with links that I pointed to from this very site to automatic transmission issues in the Model L, amounts to a form of censorship with bias only toward the positives. And yet, for those who flamed or labeled me for pointing it out by calling me names, or saying that in spite of the links illustrating my point I was somehow wrong, those posts attacking me are kept. Got it.

    To me, you aren't doing anyone any favors by a bias only toward positive comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyfromVA View Post
    I know its your site and prerogative Chris, but it seems like deleting the post with links that I pointed to from this very site to automatic transmission issues in the Model L, amounts to a form of censorship with bias only toward the positives. And yet, for those who flamed or labeled me for pointing it out by calling me names, or saying that in spite of the links illustrating my point I was somehow wrong, those posts attacking me are kept. Got it.

    To me, you aren't doing anyone any favors by a bias only toward positive comments.
    I don't think so. You freely made your point and were also freely able to reply supporting your point. . The replies afterwards rapidly deteriorated and weren't advancing your point or the conversation. I'm not going to have a thread turn ugly.

    There are plenty of posts both good and bad on the forum, and if I only wanted positive comments I wouldn't have the issues and problems forum.


    It doesn't take much from reading all your posts over the years to realize you do not like these cars, yet you've been free to post your negative comments in every thread you participate in, so let's get real about the censorship nonsense. Even when your points have been refuted, you double down on them and go on to another thread. It's become obvious now to people what you're doing and they are responding to it. If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause. Opinions are welcome here, trolling is not. We're moving on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by banger View Post
    ronbo10, the one 500L I've seen in my hometown is a '14 with the Euro Twin-Clutch trans, and the owner reports it's been exemplary. My theory goes if you're not often sitting in traffic or long drive-thru lines, you probably have a much lower chance of catastrophic failure. Wouldn't hurt to put it in neutral when in those situations, and I'm sure most people don't.

    The '17 Trekking we test drove had real grabby brakes and a somewhat hard-shifting transmission to us, but again, we're used to the super-soft Nissan cubes in our driveway. I'm definitely interested in driving an '18 if only for its interior upgrades.
    Hi again Banger. I agree with you that certainly if our DDCT equipped 500L isn't subject to much stop and go traffic, the probability of keeping the clutches in good condition goes up. That said, there are things you can do (the owners' manual recommends several things, in fact) to keep your clutches in good operating condition. I drive the Belt Parkway frequently, and unfortunately a lot of that driving is in heavy traffic- I follow the owners' manual recommendations and maybe even expound on them a bit- bottom line my right hand is pretty busy in stop-and-go traffic to manage this, so definitely the DDCT is not something you want to leave in "D" mode and forget about it. I imagine many of the early clutch failures resulted from drivers doing just that. I'm approaching 45,000 miles to date and the transmission/clutches function as new. Good fuel economy as well.

    I just took out a 2018 500L again a couple of days ago, and I wouldn't characterize the transmission as "hard-shifting", and in fact it seemed to operate in an exemplary manner. It responds much more readily to the accelerator pedal when you'd want it to downshift. The impression of turbo lag that can be felt certainly in my 500L, and (I believe) 2015-2017 models is much reduced. It pulls nicely away from a stop, no wait required. Brakes are still fairly touchy- I reported earlier that they seemed to have been improved in this regard, but now I'm not so sure. In any case it's something you can get used to, but no, not ideal. I'd say it's about the same as our 500L after swapping over to ceramic pads, which gave a modest improvement in brake response (i.e less touchy).

    There is a review of the 2018 500L (one of the few out there) by Allpar, an online pub that focuses on FCA/Mopar products that might be worth looking at. They seemed to like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronbo10 View Post
    There is a review of the 2018 500L (one of the few out there) by Allpar, an online pub that focuses on FCA/Mopar products that might be worth looking at. They seemed to like it.
    I'm reading that now. Interesting to note they say all three trims (including Pop) are now sporting the Aisin six-speed auto transmission.

    I'm sure the brakes are something we can get used to. But if the transmission performance is smoother in the '18, then that's just one more reason I'd want one. The interior improvements and small exterior changes already had me leaning that way over a '17 leftover or service loaner, even though I could score a slightly better deal on one of the latter.

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    I haven't driven an '18; but I saw the changes inside and out as just that, changes. None were "improvements" in my book. I wouldn't have turned them down; but I wouldn't have paid extra for them, either. If the prices are close, then the '18 makes a lot of sense. I just put 1100 miles on our '17 in two days, another 350 tomorrow and the reverse 1100 again by next weekend. It's no Volvo XC60(one of our former vehicles); but it didn't cost $50K either!!! Averaging 34mpg running 80-85mph when possible; but with plenty of mountain roads thrown in that slow things considerably. Not to shabby for a nearly loaded vehicle!
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    [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR]2017 FIAT 500L Lounge
    2013 Volvo C70 [COLOR=#0000cd]Caspian Blue
    [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]Previous Fiats: 2015 500L Lounge; 1979 Strada[/COLOR]

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    Also check out the Fiat 500 USA blog for lots of 500L info: http://www.fiat500usa.com/search/label/Fiat%20500L

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    Hey KellyfromVA,

    I was curious what FCA said about the transmission issue you highlighted.

    For 2018 models, all 500Ls have the Aisin six-speed automatic.

    See screenshot.Screen Shot 2018-07-19 at 10.22.29 AM.jpg

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