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    40+ mpg?

    I commented on this on the May 2 blog, but I guess that doesn't get much traffic.
    It's been mentioned in several places that one of the bench marks for Fiat receiving an additional 5% ownership in Chrysler is the North American production, by Chrysler, of a car getting 40+ mpg, using Fiat technology. Not clear whether it has to be badged as a Chrysler.
    The press release mentioned in the blog says that bench mark will be reached in the 4th quarter of this year. This seems to mean either a new engine for the 500, or a new vehicle, with a new engine. Maybe a 500 with a new engine, re-badged as a Chrysler? Either way, my guess would be the TwinAire engine, not the diesel, as a recent press release said the first appearance of the Multijet diesel will be in a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
    Comments, Chris, or anyone?
    -TR

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    I recall I read a recent interview with Marchionne where he said the EV 500 would precede the Abarth, so maybe that's what will be introduced in Q4.

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    You may be right. I hadn't thought of an ev as meeting the requirement, but maybe so. -TR

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

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    I commented on this on the May 2 blog, but I guess that doesn't get much traffic.
    It's been mentioned in several places that one of the bench marks for Fiat receiving an additional 5% ownership in Chrysler is the North American production, by Chrysler, of a car getting 40+ mpg, using Fiat technology. Not clear whether it has to be badged as a Chrysler.
    The press release mentioned in the blog says that bench mark will be reached in the 4th quarter of this year. This seems to mean either a new engine for the 500, or a new vehicle, with a new engine. Maybe a 500 with a new engine, re-badged as a Chrysler? Either way, my guess would be the TwinAire engine, not the diesel, as a recent press release said the first appearance of the Multijet diesel will be in a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
    Comments, Chris, or anyone?
    -TR
    Hi TR, I meant to comment on your earlier post.

    It is a new vehicle that is coming out. I'm seeing some folks in about a week and hopefully will find out more info... Although, I may have to give up a kidney to find out. LOL

    Closest I heard was a B segment vehicle (this was back in 2009) badged as a Chrysler. That may have changed.

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    Wow, they've kept this under wrap pretty well, if they're going into production this year. Thanks Chris.

    But this begs the question, what engine? If it's going in a larger car, seams like it would have to be a larger version of the TwinAire, to get adequate performance. It seams unlikely a larger version of the Multiaire, in a heavier car, could get better mpg than it does in the 500.
    -TR

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

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    Wow, they've kept this under wrap pretty well, if they're going into production this year. Thanks Chris.

    But this begs the question, what engine? If it's going in a larger car, seams like it would have to be a larger version of the TwinAire, to get adequate performance. It seams unlikely a larger version of the Multiaire, in a heavier car, could get better mpg than it does in the 500.
    -TR
    That is a great question. One thing is that the 40mpg is measured under the older EPA ratings, so it should be easier to achieve.

    The original language in the 2009 Agreement seemed to indicate that the car would just have to use a Fiat platform (E-Evo?), however, there was a revision (or clarification) that inserts 40mpg into the mix.

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    <quote author="Fiat500USA">
    That is a great question. One thing is that the 40mpg is measured under the older EPA ratings, so it should be easier to achieve.

    The original language in the 2009 Agreement seemed to indicate that the car would just have to use a Fiat platform (E-Evo?), however, there was a revision (or clarification) that inserts 40mpg into the mix.
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    If they were to use the older EPA rating system, I think the US spec 500 would already qualify.

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    You took the words out of my mouth, Giallo.
    Does the requirement say it has to be badged as a Chrysler?
    -TR

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    I think that “40 MPG combined unadjusted” car is new Dodge Neon, based on a Alfa Romeo Giulietta platform. It'll have less powerful version (from Fiat Bravo) of 1.4 multiair turbo engine - 140 hp and 170 lb-ft. This “40 MPG combined unadjusted” is pre-2008 epa methodology, but I believe that it'll reach same or slightly better "new" epa result than Hyundai Elantra.

    Fiat 500 (USA) 1.4 MA - 30/38 USA cycle
    Fiat 500 (EU) 1.4 - 29/45 EU cycle
    Fiat Bravo 1.4 T MA - 32/49 EU cycle
    Alfa Giulietta 1.4 T MA - 30/50 EU cycle - 168 hp and 180 lb-ft.

    With Alfa double clutch TCT transmission mpg is a bit better, so I hope that they won't put some kind of mpg killer auto transmission like in Fiat 500.

    All in all, we should expect around 30/40 from EPA.

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    Re: 40+ mpg?

    Thanks Branko. A 1.4 multiair with turbo makes sense.
    But have those EU numbers been corrected for Imperial vs. US gallons? That confusion lead to some disappointment when the US 500 numbers were released.
    -TR

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