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35k mile Fiat 500e with 100% battery, but 60 mile range - Is this normal?
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    35k mile Fiat 500e with 100% battery, but 60 mile range - Is this normal?

    I just bought a Fiat 500e via Carvana (and I'm still inside my 7 day return no questions asked policy). The car is awesome, however I'm concerned about battery degredation. I have now charged the car to 100% battery several times using a 240v 40amp JuiceBox. I've driven the car about 40 miles since I got it, mostly on 30-40 mph surface roads. On some trips I went 7 miles and actually gained range. However, these last few trips the 100% battery range is topping out at 60 miles.

    Is 60 mile range for a 2013 35k mile Fiat 500e normal?

    The stats reported by the car reported 3.4 miles/kWh on this last trip.

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    What is the outside temp? Is heat, ac, etc running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msjulie33 View Post
    What is the outside temp? Is heat, ac, etc running?
    Temp 55 degree F. Switching the Heating/AC on would drop the range 10 miles (to 50 miles), but switching it off would immediately increase the range 10 miles.


    I've seen that others have reported getting 4.2 miles/kwh. On a test drive last evening I could peak at 4.0 (usually after breaking), but was getting average 3.4 to 3.6 miles kwh.


    What if the battery is fine, but something is dragging (increasing the rolling resistance).


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJeff View Post
    I just bought a Fiat 500e via Carvana (and I'm still inside my 7 day return no questions asked policy). The car is awesome, however I'm concerned about battery degredation. I have now charged the car to 100% battery several times using a 240v 40amp JuiceBox. I've driven the car about 40 miles since I got it, mostly on 30-40 mph surface roads. On some trips I went 7 miles and actually gained range. However, these last few trips the 100% battery range is topping out at 60 miles.

    Is 60 mile range for a 2013 35k mile Fiat 500e normal?

    The stats reported by the car reported 3.4 miles/kWh on this last trip.

    Thanks
    Jeff
    The "range" you are referring to is the estimate the car is making. In the cold- yes 55 is cold - your range will be reduced.

    It is normal to see estimates in the 50s and 60a and actual range in the 60s. As the weather gets warmer that will creep back up to 85, and the estimated range might hit 100.

    The things that affect range in a big way:

    Driving at high speed
    Driving uphill
    Outside temperature
    Using heater
    Driving style (fun versus conservative)

    Tire pressure, lights and radio, etc. less so.

    I am in Northern California and I expect 60-70 miles this time of year. 70 would be best case running no heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveN007 View Post
    The "range" you are referring to is the estimate the car is making. In the cold- yes 55 is cold - your range will be reduced.

    It is normal to see estimates in the 50s and 60a and actual range in the 60s. As the weather gets warmer that will creep back up to 85, and the estimated range might hit 100.

    The things that affect range in a big way:

    Driving at high speed
    Driving uphill
    Outside temperature
    Using heater
    Driving style (fun versus conservative)

    Tire pressure, lights and radio, etc. less so.

    I am in Northern California and I expect 60-70 miles this time of year. 70 would be best case running no heat.
    So today it's 77 (ahhh South Texas Winter) and its still reading 60 miles range. Is the car heating the battery if external temperatures are below some set temperature, or does the battery just not perform as well given the ambient temperature?

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    "Weve created a range prediction that looks at your last 100 miles of average driving and energy use, as well as the last 10 miles of average energy use, he said, and blends those two factors in a not-so-simple algorithm depending upon your state of charge. When youre 100 percent charged, were only looking at your 100-mile average, assuming youre going to drive like youve proven yourself to drive. As we get down further in the state of charge, we start blending in more of the local 10-mile range; now its more important to your ultimate range on this drive to know what youve been doing lately."

    No mention of ambient temperature in this quote (athough it might be in the 'not-so-simple" part), but at 100% battery, the guess-o-meter looks like it will be referencing the prior 100 miles of driving (and possibly the prior 100 miles of ambient temperature).

    Does pre-conditioning the car for a drive make a difference, i.e. does the battery heater prep the battery to the operating temperature while still plugged into Level 2?

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    My car, in semi-sunny southern San Fransisco bay area, used to average 1 mile per % of charge. I say this as it related to my standard slog through traffic where getting highway speeds (~60 or above) was rare and dropped mileage accordingly. When I was doing mild stop and go around 40-45, the mapping held true.

    AC dropped it as did heat and defrost so I made a point of using them only as needed to clear the windshield. Heated seats seemed "free" and worked well enough anyway

    I found the 500e to recalculate my expected range every 5-10 miles or so, so a hard acceleration showed a drop but being well behaved after showed a reward of increasing range.

    I expect folks who get < 80s for range are lucky enough to be blasting down the highway at real speeds or who have cabin conditioning of one kind or another running.. YMMV
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    Good news on this mornings test drive

    Left the house with 60 mile range on the guess-o-meter, arrived at work 15 miles later with 58 miles range on the guess-o-meter. Consumed 2 miles for a 15 mile trip. About 10 miles of the 15 mile trip was on the highway traveling 55-65 mph. The car reported 4.4 mile/kWh at the end of the trip.

    I suspect this suggests that my driving is significantly better (less energy intensive) than whoever owned the car previously. If it's averaging the last 100 miles of driving (when fully charged), then its taking into account about 70 miles of driving from the previous owner.

    From these new numbers I get the impression that 80 miles range on 100% battery should be possible (without heat or AC being active).

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    If you want to reset the car's previous driver "memory," disconnect the ground and power sides of the 12 volt battery. Step on the brake pedal several times to bleed off any residual charge through the brake lights, then reconnect. Make sure you secure the connections tightly on the battery, as loose connections will cause issues. You should see 90+ mile range at your next full charge cycle.

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    Interesting as I have the same situation. This is the second 500e we got from Carvana. The first was fine. This one shows the range issue. I did disconnect the battery but did not help. I have driven it over 50+ miles on a charge and the range roughly shows the same. Will keep driving to see if it auto corrects.

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    I will chime in, too, as a few things are being missed here.
    I bought mine in March of 2019 with 38k miles. It was a very nice, cold winter period in MI. That is temperatures about 0 F...
    So when I got the fully charged car - it would say 40 miles to go. WOW

    Then, after driving it for a while, with ambient temperatures going up - the range slowly started going up with reaching 60 after a few days, then to 80.
    Finally, recently, with a few days of temperatures about 65 F, it showed me range of 105 miles after overnight charge.

    However, the city driving I do involves going up to 40, maybe 45 mph. Almost no heat is used either.

    To get nice, long range, you need to have the battery at about 70 F, drive at speeds below 45 mph, and not use heat. Cooling is not so bad.

    On regular basis I easily can get 3.5 m/kWh, that is about 125 MPGe, while on good days it gets up to 160-180 MPGe, that is 4.7-5.3 m/kWh.

    On cold days, winter time, I could use half battery for a 20 mile trip (10 miles each way).
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