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    Quote Originally Posted by pmendoza502 View Post
    Yea, i just couldnt picture it in my head without thinking, if you adjust camber, you are altering caster as well too. im used to seeing the slide plates like these.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...67104738604460



    I was afraid of that



    Got my camber bolts from amazon
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    ABARTH 500
    Front: DNA Strut Mounts -2.5 degrees negative camber, -3 degrees caster, 0 Toe.
    Rear: MOPAR Shim Plates -2.0 degrees negative camber, as close to zero Toe, 0 Thrust angle

    I have street tires, and my Hoosier/ Hankook Slicks for events. I have zero irregular tire wear, and my car isn't "darty" due to 0 Toe settings.
    If you start adding or taking out Toe, that's where the "darty" problems occur and you're going to start noticing irregular tire degradation.

    Originally I had crash/ camber bolts in the front end... and I broke them first race out.
    Crash/ Camber bolts can't handle the torque loads of the strut to knuckle.
    Crash/ Camber Bolts were created to help a shmoe get a wrecked car to align properly so they could sell it to another shmoe.
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    I was talking about a general alignment. Not just camber adjustment. Alot of fwd use toe to dramatically effect a cars performance in corners. Obviously you already know this. But you you recomend to most owners in here? And irregular wear and high wear are two different different things. I'm not trying to challenge you on the usefulness of these mounts for someone like you.


    Kind of shocking you broke a set of camber bolts. Especially first time out. What in the abarth suspension design creates such unnaturally high force on them? It's about the most common front suspension design ther is and nothing is catches my eye in their application of it that would cause an unusual concentration of forces.

    The abarth hardeware is smaller than alot of cars, but I would think woth bolt braking force, we'd see the mounts tearing away from the stut. Especially on some of these cheaper coilovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddySRT View Post
    ABARTH 500
    Front: DNA Strut Mounts -2.5 degrees negative camber, -3 degrees caster, 0 Toe.
    Rear: MOPAR Shim Plates -2.0 degrees negative camber, as close to zero Toe, 0 Thrust angle

    I have street tires, and my Hoosier/ Hankook Slicks for events. I have zero irregular tire wear, and my car isn't "darty" due to 0 Toe settings.
    If you start adding or taking out Toe, that's where the "darty" problems occur and you're going to start noticing irregular tire degradation.

    Originally I had crash/ camber bolts in the front end... and I broke them first race out.
    Crash/ Camber bolts can't handle the torque loads of the strut to knuckle.
    Crash/ Camber Bolts were created to help a shmoe get a wrecked car to align properly so they could sell it to another shmoe.
    im sure at the minuscule levels that the caster changes when you try to adjust the camber with this kit that its not a big deal and doesnt have much effect on handling, but it still bothers me a little LOL

    Yea, i have been hesitant to install the bolts on my car for that very reason, although you are the first person i know to have that happen to them. you got, and im always scared and fear that i might be the unlucky one with that ONE piece of 1000 that is the weak or defective in the bunch...

    with my experience in acquisitions for numerous hardware, electronics, and other high qty, high run, mass produced products, im not surprised when 4 or 5 out of 1000 turn out to be bad or defective though

    Quote Originally Posted by Saponetta View Post
    What in the abarth suspension design creates such unnaturally high force on them? It's about the most common front suspension design ther is and nothing is catches my eye in their application of it that would cause an unusual concentration of forces.

    The abarth hardeware is smaller than alot of cars, but I would think woth bolt braking force, we'd see the mounts tearing away from the stut. Especially on some of these cheaper coilovers.
    thats what i wonder as well, im sure if there was a picture of how it broke it would answer a lot of our questions

    this reminds me to check on my suspension next time i work on the car. I always try to do an annual check and light maintenance on all the suspension parts and its been a tad over a year since i installed my coilovers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddySRT View Post
    ABARTH 500
    Front: DNA Strut Mounts -2.5 degrees negative camber, -3 degrees caster, 0 Toe.
    Rear: MOPAR Shim Plates -2.0 degrees negative camber, as close to zero Toe, 0 Thrust angle

    I have street tires, and my Hoosier/ Hankook Slicks for events. I have zero irregular tire wear, and my car isn't "darty" due to 0 Toe settings.
    If you start adding or taking out Toe, that's where the "darty" problems occur and you're going to start noticing irregular tire degradation.

    Originally I had crash/ camber bolts in the front end... and I broke them first race out.
    Crash/ Camber bolts can't handle the torque loads of the strut to knuckle.
    Crash/ Camber Bolts were created to help a shmoe get a wrecked car to align properly so they could sell it to another shmoe.
    I had crash bolts top and bottom for 12 months including -40 and a full season of autocross ;-). They will work so long as they are installed correctly and not overtorqued.


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    Yea I haven't had any issues up front with normal bolts. My rear is stock and never been checked. I haven't had any issues with tire wear, cupping, or anything in the back.

    For the rear, are the shim kits a single set, or are they designed to be stacked for adjustability?
    2013 abarth
    Spec 2+ clutch
    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saponetta View Post
    I was talking about a general alignment. Not just camber adjustment. Alot of fwd use toe to dramatically effect a cars performance in corners. Obviously you already know this. But you you recomend to most owners in here? And irregular wear and high wear are two different different things. I'm not trying to challenge you on the usefulness of these mounts for someone like you.


    Kind of shocking you broke a set of camber bolts. Especially first time out. What in the abarth suspension design creates such unnaturally high force on them? It's about the most common front suspension design ther is and nothing is catches my eye in their application of it that would cause an unusual concentration of forces.

    The abarth hardeware is smaller than alot of cars, but I would think woth bolt braking force, we'd see the mounts tearing away from the stut. Especially on some of these cheaper coilovers.
    The fact that I was running 225/45R17 Hoosier slicks was my problem with breaking the crash bolts.

    After that event I switched to grade 8 bolts throughout the front suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doverosx View Post
    I had crash bolts top and bottom for 12 months including -40 and a full season of autocross ;-). They will work so long as they are installed correctly and not overtorqued.
    No disagreement. When you start adding horsepower and grip you'll start finding the weakest links... crash bolts were the weak link.

    Crash bolts were created for street use.
    2016 Jeep GC SRT392
    Redline Tri Coat
    Black Chrome Vapor Wheels
    Hellcat Brembo Brake Kit
    8 Speed ZF
    --.-/ --- MPH - Bone Stock

    "I thought you had a HEMI. Yeah, I had to have a footprint gas pedal installed. So I stole this pile."

    2013 500 ABARTH
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    2014 SCCA Solo II Texas Region, 2nd G Street
    2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 SCCA Solo II Texas Region, Champion E Prepared

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    Lol. Yea. It might. To me it's a great accomplishment what you've done. Especially in am abarth. I'm not real familiar with scca classification, especially for the classes with lower power cars. but I imagine no one is recommending to grab an abarth to go out and win. Im.sure you had.to find out the hard way what it took to make a winning car compared.to someone in a popular chassis. Your also succeeding in a class with fairly high modification allowed. Congrats.
    2013 abarth
    Spec 2+ clutch
    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddySRT View Post
    No disagreement. When you start adding horsepower and grip you'll start finding the weakest links... crash bolts were the weak link.

    Crash bolts were created for street use.
    I think you would admit that your needs and the level at which your car is driven, is another world from your average owner.
    2013 abarth
    Spec 2+ clutch
    Working on new divided turbo setup
    Homebrew fmic w/ corsa forza hoses
    Stock Downpipe with cat and 2.25discharge
    Coils
    Homemade cowl intake
    ECB yellows/stop tech fluid
    Koni/vogtland
    Braces and strut mounts
    Corsa forza vento
    E30 blend

    2013 abarth tork tuned
    cowl intake, custom fmic and bypass valve, vogtlands, rear vette bilstiens, long 3 inch downpipe to stock rear section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abarth176 View Post
    From what I've heard, DNA pulled the plug since Madness' price gouging was hurting sales
    I have purchased parts for my Abarth directly from DNA in Italy:

    https://www.dna-racing.it/en/

    They were great to deal with. I like side stepping the middleman whenever I can.


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