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2.4L oil consumption

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  • PLP
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2016
    • 602

    #31
    I also suffer from high oil consumption.
    Between changes I drift from full (max line) to about minimum in the mid run (say about 3000 miles). Refill - that is 2 quarts, and same for the remaining 3000-4000 miles until the OIL CHANGE indicator comes on.
    None of my cars that I have ever owned would use this much oil, except those that had over 100k miles, but still not so bad.

    I use 0W-20 (as specs) Pennzoil Platinum from the very first change. Only once for the whole period "only" 3 quarts were consumed.

    I do not agree that this level of consumption is justified.
    I would agree that owner should check oil from time to time (each fill up is a bit too often for a relatively new car without any LEAKS or other problems) and refill as needed, but with other cars that do not require oil tops off - 2.4 tigershark is a something like going back in time.

    Even mine 1.6T GDI in KIA that I push quite hard so many times does not need this much oil (running 5W-30 same brand).
    Current rides: 2003 Porsche Boxster, 2019 Chevy Bolt LT, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium
    Previous rides: 2014 FIAT 500e, 2016 KIA Forte5 SX 1.6 T-GDI, A/T, 2016 FIAT 500X Trekking Plus AWD, 2015 KIA Forte5 SX 1.6 T-GDI, M/T, and many more...

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    • ASHFIAT
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2016
      • 12

      #32
      Any of us that are concerned about the oil consumption of our FIATs should google "consumer reports oil consumption article". The article won't change the behavior of your FIAT, but when you get to the list of the top 30 oil guzzlers you will have a big smile on your face.

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      • PLP
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2016
        • 602

        #33
        Hmm. That is weird.
        2.0T is very common in VW/Audi family. Even Porsche uses it.
        Yet, Audi was there, but not VW...

        Yes, the article shows problems, but it does not really treat all participants equally.

        You cannot compare NA-1.6 I4 to TT-4.8 V8. Not only turbo charged engines eat more oil by their nature, but 4.8 is 3 times bigger than 1.6. Hence, it has much more oil. Hence, 1 quart for it is nothing comparing to 1.6.


        Going back to the topic.
        It is weird - now the oil consumption stopped again. I am not sure. Is it weather related? Petrol? Style? I use same oil... that is same brand, grade. Different batch, though.
        Current rides: 2003 Porsche Boxster, 2019 Chevy Bolt LT, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium
        Previous rides: 2014 FIAT 500e, 2016 KIA Forte5 SX 1.6 T-GDI, A/T, 2016 FIAT 500X Trekking Plus AWD, 2015 KIA Forte5 SX 1.6 T-GDI, M/T, and many more...

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        • carfreak09
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2015
          • 487

          #34
          Originally posted by PLP
          Going back to the topic.
          It is weird - now the oil consumption stopped again. I am not sure. Is it weather related? Petrol? Style? I use same oil... that is same brand, grade. Different batch, though.
          Im sure it will start back up. Checked roomie's Cherokee again and she was a quart low. Not sure how many miles but it was basically after a round trip from Florida to Virginia so I'm guessing about 2-3k. Seems these engines should have a low oil level warning light for those that don't think to check it regularly.
          2013 Fiat 500T Rosso
          RRM Ultimate tuner, RRM rear sway bar, Koni front struts, El Gato front chassis braces, 500Madness GoPedal, NeuF muffler delete, EC V4.1 intake, Gofastbits DV+, RRM lightweight crankshaft pulley, LED interior lights.

          2016 Fiat 500X Pop Arancio (traded in April 2019)
          500Madness GoPedal, custom Abarth style exhaust (resonator/muffler delete.), Gofastbits DV+, RRM lightweight crankshaft pulley, RRM Ultimate tuner, LED interior lights.

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          • 5port
            AWD enthusiast
            Lifetime Member
            • May 2012
            • 994

            #35
            There's a theory on the Dart boards that its the PCV valve stuck open. Once the PCV valve becomes unstuck and working again the oil consumption goes back to normal. Might be worth it to just replace it for $16.

            Last edited by 5port; 02-21-2019, 08:36 AM.
            2016 500X Easy,Go pedal, Autoflash, LED Headlights and reverse, LED DRL, carbon fiber shift gate, ST T9 wheels, PIAA wipers, '17 motor mounts, AEM Dryflow

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            • Teejay
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2015
              • 1

              #36
              I have a 2018 500x Urbana 2.4L and had to add oil 3 times before I even hit 4,000 miles. Turns out there was a manufacturing defect in my engine where the cylinder heads were scored and now my car is in the shop waiting for it's new engine. I should have it back by the end of the week. I had a 2016 500x Easy that never burned a drop of oil, but from day 1 I used the 0-20w blend, not straight synthetic.

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              • 5port
                AWD enthusiast
                Lifetime Member
                • May 2012
                • 994

                #37
                Latest Power train software update supposedly fixes the oil consumption issue with the 2.4L. The Jeep boys some claim it completely solved it and some claim it is cut in half. The software change allows the valves to stay open during deceleration thus curing the high vacuum condition (no more oil getting sucked past the rings).

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                2016 Fiat 500X power train TSB (Bulletin 08-027-21)

                Bulletin Date: Feb. 27, 2021

                Component: Power train.

                Bulletin Summary: Flash: drivetrain control module (dtcm) diagnostic and system improvements this bulletin involves reprogramming the dtcm with the latest available software. Customers may experience a malfunction indicator lamp (mil) illumination.

                Vehicles covered in this TSB:
                2015 Fiat 500, 2016 Fiat 500X, 2017 Fiat 500X, 2018 Fiat 500X, 2015 Jeep Renegade, 2016 Jeep Renegade, 2017 Jeep Renegade, 2018 Jeep Renegade.
                2016 500X Easy,Go pedal, Autoflash, LED Headlights and reverse, LED DRL, carbon fiber shift gate, ST T9 wheels, PIAA wipers, '17 motor mounts, AEM Dryflow

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                • map
                  Moderator
                  • Dec 2018
                  • 3729

                  #38
                  As I understand it, that change mostly illuminates the oil change interval sooner. Keeping the valves open simply covers up a design flaw.

                  "But a defect in the Tigershark engine means the piston rings don't work correctly with the cylinders. This allows oil to seep past and burn off in the compression cycle. As the engine loses oil, excess heat and friction will prematurely wear down internal components. At first the engine might stall out. But eventually it'll seize up and fail."

                  A serious defect in the 2.4L Tigershark engine causes an excessive amount of oil to be burned during normal operation. Owners must constantly top off the oil and have consumption tests run at the dealership, or risk the engine seizing up and stalling out while driving down the road. A class-action lawsuit wants a nationwide recall.

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                  • 5port
                    AWD enthusiast
                    Lifetime Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 994

                    #39
                    Taken from a Jeep Forum:


                    Official Mopar said:

                    Hello, the oil consumption concerns are caused from vacuum being created in the cylinders during deceleration. Software changes the events, internal to engine, that lead to creation of vacuum.
                    If you need any help setting up an appointment, feel free to let us know.

                    Kaitlin
                    Mopar Cares
                    2016 500X Easy,Go pedal, Autoflash, LED Headlights and reverse, LED DRL, carbon fiber shift gate, ST T9 wheels, PIAA wipers, '17 motor mounts, AEM Dryflow

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                    • smark
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 4952

                      #40
                      Originally posted by map
                      As I understand it, that change mostly illuminates the oil change interval sooner. Keeping the valves open simply covers up a design flaw.

                      "But a defect in the Tigershark engine means the piston rings don't work correctly with the cylinders. This allows oil to seep past and burn off in the compression cycle. As the engine loses oil, excess heat and friction will prematurely wear down internal components. At first the engine might stall out. But eventually it'll seize up and fail."


                      http://www.jeepproblems.com/tigershark-oil-consumption/
                      I’ll share that with my daughter, on her Renegrade. 6 years late, never can hurt.

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