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  • Base model Fiat 124 Spider

    15 30.61%
  • Elaborazione Abarth (fiat badged, "club" suspension, black hood, no monza, 160hp)

    3 6.12%
  • Abarth 124 Spider (as seen and heard in Europe with monza and Abarth badging, etc)

    31 63.27%
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    POLL: 124 Spider

    Which would you choose, assuming each are priced to perfection in terms of proper market value?
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    Abarth version. The top level performance/features version of any car is the only one worth buying, and the only correct answer as far as I'm concerned.

    If you're purchasing a vehicle and compromising satisfaction for affordability, you'll end up with neither a good value or a vehicle worth owning.
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    Priced to Perfection??? Sorry, my bank account doesn't work that way. Once we know what each model costs and what equipment comes with that price point, then I can make a decision about whether I should buy a new Abarth or build one out of the base level adding the best aftermarket equipment I can specify and comparing the costs of each path. Plus I'm going to have to rely on reviewers of the first cars to tell me how each model performs, or wait until those models are available for my own test drives. And one more wrench in the mix: available aftermarket tunes and the power they unlock from the 1.4L turbo. Right now, there are no aftermarket tunes for 2016 Fiat 124 ECUs, but there will be.

    I happen to believe, with no evidence, that the normal Fiat 124 USA tune is on par with or more powerful than the Fiat 124 Abarth Euro tune. It would be instructive to see actual dyno charts of both engines and we will, but it will be after these cars are sold and the aftermarket runs them on the rollers.

    Short answer: buy the base and build my own Abarth which will probably cost me another $10,000. Sigh.

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    All good points above...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorpionSkins.com View Post
    Abarth version. The top level performance/features version of any car is the only one worth buying, and the only correct answer as far as I'm concerned.

    If you're purchasing a vehicle and compromising satisfaction for affordability, you'll end up with neither a good value or a vehicle worth owning.
    While I chose the Europe Abarth model its not for the reasons you state per se (as I disagree with your premise)....and I should also add that if this were the top end model offered in the states I would likely not be buying a 124 at all.

    As for your premise - who is to say that (theoretically) I would want the top end performance or features offered in a particular car. I tend to be more performance orientated - so yes I usually would go this route....however I'm often not interested in various other options offered on many cars....particularly many that are being offered on the newer cars - like lane change warning, automatic breaking, park assist...even power top (vs manual) etc. Also - many of these type of features come with a marked up cost. I might well be interested in getting into a particular car at the base rate - stripped down to the essentials - to basically get the important (performance) aspects of the car at an affordable price. In fact - back in 2004 I purchased a BMW e46 330 ZHP (M-sport/performance package). OK - not the base 330 per se - but also not the M3 - which I would love to have had. Bottom line though - I did a European delivery and BMW did not offer the Euro delivery discount for M cars then. So I was able to get into an incredible performing 330 car for nearly $20K less then I would have paid for an M3. (I also bargained very well I might add...and it would have been much less likely I could have gotten BMW to discount an M3 the same way). Sure I would have loved to have an M3 - but I have no regrets. The 330 ZHP is an amazing car and an absolute joy to drive (arguably with a better steering rack and handling than the M3). So I got a great value on a great car....even if it wasn't the absolute pinnacle of performance in the e46 3 series offerings. Again - no regrets. I made the right decision for me (us) at the time and have and continue to thoroughly enjoy the car.

    In the case of the 124....not everyone cares about zoom zoom per se. The basic 124 may well have sufficient power for a great many folks. Just as with my Mustang. Like you - I do value power and am inclined to go for the max offering. I once questioned my godfather who originally bought the car why he didn't go for the K-code engine (a very souped up version of the 289) and he answered that the car already had more than enough power as far as he was concerned and he wasn't interested in more....shame though....as those early K-code engine mustangs are going for a pretty penny these days (perhaps well of $150K)....but no matter....never selling the car anyway....and I am certainly enjoying it just fine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorpionSkins.com View Post
    Abarth version. The top level performance/features version of any car is the only one worth buying, and the only correct answer as far as I'm concerned.

    If you're purchasing a vehicle and compromising satisfaction for affordability, you'll end up with neither a good value or a vehicle worth owning.
    And the Auto manufactures thank you for that opinion.

    The Base 124 will have plenty of power and softer ride, for driving around town that we do. Deposit already down, not a question if I were to buy one. Just when it shows up.
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    If the FIAT base model is near the Miata then I'd go FIAT all the way. If they blow it and price a base model FIAT $5,000 more than a Miata, then it's going to be tough to sell many at all. Looking at it the other way, pretty much anyone alive knows what a Miata is, it's been around since 1990 and sold about a million, SO...if there were suddenly an ITALIAN FIAT 124 SPIDER pretty much just like it at the SAME price, I'd buy as many FIATs as I could afford, and go autocross them with the Miata guys and have a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Nixon View Post
    If the FIAT base model is near the Miata then I'd go FIAT all the way. If they blow it and price a base model FIAT $5,000 more than a Miata, then it's going to be tough to sell many at all. Looking at it the other way, pretty much anyone alive knows what a Miata is, it's been around since 1990 and sold about a million, SO...if there were suddenly an ITALIAN FIAT 124 SPIDER pretty much just like it at the SAME price, I'd buy as many FIATs as I could afford, and go autocross them with the Miata guys and have a blast.
    Agree.

    Glad to see this thread hasn't turned all anti-elaborazione abarth edition yet from the old Abarth-elite members on here.

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    If demand for the Abarth were to run 2:1 versus the Classica and Lusso (inferred), would demand exceed supply? Isn't there a 2,500-unit cap on the Abarth? I haven't read whether that number is worldwide or for the US-market.

    How easy/hard will it be to get a 124 Spider Abarth early on? I thought in 2012 that my 500 Abarth would be exclusive, but they were never in short supply... and so I overpaid. Would rather not make that mistake again!

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