GT1725S In shop upgrade!

[Sales@Tork2]

So, give or take +30whp and +30wtq over your bolted and tuned stock turbo. And will probably max out at about +45whp and wtq over the stocker. Pretty darn solid.

Buy not for $2500 bucks it's not.

A brand spanking new GT1752S can be purchased for about 200 bucks....no way this thing should be as much as it is.

the turbo itself after a core as been returned is right around $1500. And this is a direct bolt on, made specifically for this car. If you wanted to find just any GT1725S you could, then you would have to build a custom manifold, downpipe, as well as other custom fabrication in order to make it work, you would well exceed $1500 for a custom turbo set up.
Tyson

[Sales@Tork2]

Where on earth are you going to find a quality turbo for $200 new? Doesn't exist.

We sell our used stock K04's for the mazdaspeed platform for around $200, and that is just because we have so many laying around and people need them when their stock ones go out if they aren't looking to upgrade at that particular time. Definitely not brand new and that is a stock replacement which is bolt on. When you start getting into the custom side of things costs add up very quickly!
Tyson

[Shawnb]

We sell our used stock K04's for the mazdaspeed platform for around $200, and that is just because we have so many laying around and people need them when their stock ones go out if they aren't looking to upgrade at that particular time. Definitely not brand new and that is a stock replacement which is bolt on. When you start getting into the custom side of things costs add up very quickly!
Tyson

Correct, but a brand new turbo for $200 isn't going to happen. Unless it's some Ebay junk special.

[SweetSandMan]

Where on earth are you going to find a quality turbo for $200 new? Doesn't exist.

Did you look? A brand new GT1752S is cheap. It's a tiny turbo.

the turbo itself after a core as been returned is right around $1500. And this is a direct bolt on, made specifically for this car. If you wanted to find just any GT1725S you could, then you would have to build a custom manifold, downpipe, as well as other custom fabrication in order to make it work, you would well exceed $1500 for a custom turbo set up.
Tyson

Oh I get that there's R&D that needs to be accounted for...but if I buy this one for around 1500 without having to send in my stocker, it'd make some sense. I mean look at BNR...they make mazdaspeed specific bolt on turbo upgrades that are far larger turbos than this thing and they're about 1200 bucks and you can keep your stocker.

Correct, but a brand new turbo for $200 isn't going to happen. Unless it's some Ebay junk special.

Once again, a GT1752S is a tiny turbo...plenty of vendors out there selling brand new units for just a few hundred bucks.

[Shawnb]

Did you look? A brand new GT1752S is cheap. It's a tiny turbo.



Oh I get that there's R&D that needs to be accounted for...but if I buy this one for around 1500 without having to send in my stocker, it'd make some sense. I mean look at BNR...they make mazdaspeed specific bolt on turbo upgrades that are far larger turbos than this thing and they're about 1200 bucks and you can keep your stocker.



Once again, a GT1752S is a tiny turbo...plenty of vendors out there selling brand new units for just a few hundred bucks.

Sure for some random Ebay junk turbo, it will be under $300 new. For a quality Garrett you will spending over a grand.

[opiateESP]

Once again, a GT1752S is a tiny turbo...plenty of vendors out there selling brand new units for just a few hundred bucks.

There's a lot of clones of real turbos selling for too good to be true prices. Alibaba has a million of them. Regardless of that, you would need to modify the manifold to fit the turbo. The reason the ATP unit is more expensive; the exhaust housing from the 1446 is modified and reused on the ATP unit for OEM fitment. You're paying for the labour involved and the R&D that ATP put into making it a perfect fit.

[SweetSandMan]

There's a lot of clones of real turbos selling for too good to be true prices. Alibaba has a million of them. Regardless of that, you would need to modify the manifold to fit the turbo. The reason the ATP unit is more expensive; the exhaust housing from the 1446 is modified and reused on the ATP unit for OEM fitment. You're paying for the labour involved and the R&D that ATP put into making it a perfect fit.

I agree and have acknowledged that on the R&D side. What I'm saying is other vendors are making the same unique modifications for other platforms so that they are bolts on...and doing it for fall less dough.

A Super 16g from Hahn is 600 bucks and made to be a bolt on directly to DSMs. BNR does GT3076 turbos as a bolt on for Mazdaspeeds for 1100. Hell, ZZP makes custom housings for Cobalts for the notoriously expensive Borg Warner EFR turbos for Cobalts for under 2k. There's absolutely no reason this thing should be over 2k. Heck, there's no reason this thing should be over 1k.

I understand this is a complaint towards ATP more than anything and I am glad Tork is venturing into tuning this turbo and that 16g of yours. I just wish someone would make a decent turbo for these things that was worth a damn for a price that made some sense.

[opiateESP]

I agree and have acknowledged that on the R&D side. What I'm saying is other vendors are making the same unique modifications for other platforms so that they are bolts on...and doing it for fall less dough.

A Super 16g from Hahn is 600 bucks and made to be a bolt on directly to DSMs. BNR does GT3076 turbos as a bolt on for Mazdaspeeds for 1100. Hell, ZZP makes custom housings for Cobalts for the notoriously expensive Borg Warner EFR turbos for Cobalts for under 2k. There's absolutely no reason this thing should be over 2k. Heck, there's no reason this thing should be over 1k.

I understand this is a complaint towards ATP more than anything and I am glad Tork is venturing into tuning this turbo and that 16g of yours. I just wish someone would make a decent turbo for these things that was worth a damn for a price that made some sense.

Yeah. That's completely valid. I would guess market size has something to do with it as well as target audience. ATP must think our pocket books are bigger on average than they are.

[Shawnb]

I agree and have acknowledged that on the R&D side. What I'm saying is other vendors are making the same unique modifications for other platforms so that they are bolts on...and doing it for fall less dough.

A Super 16g from Hahn is 600 bucks and made to be a bolt on directly to DSMs. BNR does GT3076 turbos as a bolt on for Mazdaspeeds for 1100. Hell, ZZP makes custom housings for Cobalts for the notoriously expensive Borg Warner EFR turbos for Cobalts for under 2k. There's absolutely no reason this thing should be over 2k. Heck, there's no reason this thing should be over 1k.

I understand this is a complaint towards ATP more than anything and I am glad Tork is venturing into tuning this turbo and that 16g of yours. I just wish someone would make a decent turbo for these things that was worth a damn for a price that made some sense.

You also have to understand market share and size. With the dsm stuff, there's endless companies to spend your money on for turbo kits, same with the other vehicles you listed. The fiat market is incredibly small so the vendors need to charge more to keep the doors open.

[SweetSandMan]

You also have to understand market share and size. With the dsm stuff, there's endless companies to spend your money on for turbo kits, same with the other vehicles you listed. The fiat market is incredibly small so the vendors need to charge more to keep the doors open.

True. Though, only about 4000 Cobalt SS's with the LNF motor ('08-'10) were ever made and the aftermarket for that thing absolutely blows the Abarth away. But I definitely understand this is a super niche car. Just wish the aftermarket was a better.

I look forward to seeing what Tork can squeeze out of this little snail with full bolt ons, bigger injectors, and maybe some E and/or Meth.