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    Autocross today: Video proof it happened!

    Had a blast at autocross today, despite finishing 2nd a long way behind a Focus ST. This is the Tidewater Sports Car Club, they are not an SCCA club but run AX by the same rules. This location is right on the Chesapeake Bay, on Little Creek Naval Base, which also happens to be where I work! Compared to driving up to 2 hours just to get to events in SC, this is nice to be only 20 minutes from my house.

    Anyway, I figured I couldn't beat the Focus, and just focused (ha!) on improving my time, walking the course as much as I could, and reviewing it in my head. This is on top of getting to work the 1st run group and see what other drivers were doing, and watching all the 2d run group, and then finally driving in the 3rd group. The course was very busy with very little plain slaloms or straights, so I was trying to keep my line smooth. I've got an EVO performance driving school next month, so that should help.

    If you watch the video you can tell I'm way off the cones, just trying to keep it clean today and smooth out that ON-OFF GAS-BRAKE driving style. Like I said, I'm trying!

    After the 1st run in the 56 second range, I dropped a few tenths on 2nd run, and then a few more tenths on the 3rd run. I thought my last run was faster, but the timer says it was slower. Later I will edit my videos to do a side-by-side or frame-by-frame comparison and see where I slowed down on the last run.

    About the middle of the run, way down by the water you can see several lane-changes set up right parallel with the beach, so that is kind of cool with the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel off in the distance, sometimes some boats sailing by, etc. No one has gone in they water as far as I know, but it could happen since this concrete pad is the ramp that the NAVY uses to launch their LCAC air cushioned vehicles! You might see some in the distance behind the finish line too!

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    That looks like quite a fun, speedy course. Love that facility too!

    Are you using any sort of data-logging?

    Something like Harry's Lap Timer with a stand-alone 5 or 10hz GPS puck is reasonably priced and will give you quite a bit more detailed info than what your eye's can pick out of just a video. Plus it lets you do cool video overlays for your laps
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    Good job! We had our second event yesterday with a reversed course in the afternoon so kinda like a 2 day event. Walking the course in each direction had me thinking the afternoon would be the more fun one but that didn't work out. The lot was very uneven with a couple of HARD bumps poorly placed relative to the turns they were in. One was in a loop and wasn't too bad in either direction but the other was at least an inch and was just after a hard right in the morning and just before a hard left in the afternoon. The morning wasn't as bad since you had to slow down to navigate the turn (although my nemesis FiST actually ended up bouncing off-course!) but in the afternoon it seriously affected even turning in. 10 feet further away would have been useful but this was right at the turn - no chance to go straight over it or do anything other than either possibly launching into the air, slow down to mitigate the suspension disruption or deal with the aftereffects as best you could. Fortunately, the stock suspension handled it reasonably well so maybe it was more of a head game. In any event, the afternoon runs were a bust for me when I had thought it would be better. Go figger. Still 1st in GS but 5th in the whole indexed Street class with my daughter right behind me (she was .05 second behind me in the afternoon runs!).

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    I know I'm going to get flamed for this but how in the hell do you know where your going out there? I know the cones point the way but still, looks very confusing to me.

    Congrats on your placement BTW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klasse Act View Post
    I know I'm going to get flamed for this but how in the hell do you know where your going out there? I know the cones point the way but still, looks very confusing to me.

    Congrats on your placement BTW!
    AND it doesn't get any better until like your 3rd lap and you actually figure out where the track is!
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    Yes, it looks worse on video!!! because: 1: just watching you don't have any idea whats coming up, but the driver should have walked the course several times 2: Some clubs will also print maps of the course before the event to help folks learn it 3: Once you go out and walk it, it's not as hard as it seems

    But still it's easy to be out there driving as hard as you can and just have a split second brain freeze and go the wrong way!
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    jguerdat,
    You beat the FiST in the morning though!!

    That would be a fun way to run an event with the reversed course! I think the EVO driving school does that with students too.
    2013 Rosso Abarth with 61K miles, Koni yellow shocks, Madness springs, Neu-f rear sway bar, EBC Yellowstuff brake pads, DOT4 brake fluid, K&N air filter, autocross 17 inch Ciao Milano wheels with Bridgestone Potenza RE71R, daily wheels stock 16 inch Dunlop DZ102. 2017 1st place HS Tidewater Sports Car Club: 2016-2015 1st Place TSCC GS class; 2014-2013: 2nd place in SCCA South Carolina Region G Stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Nixon View Post
    Yes, it looks worse on video!!! because: 1: just watching you don't have any idea whats coming up, but the driver should have walked the course several times 2: Some clubs will also print maps of the course before the event to help folks learn it 3: Once you go out and walk it, it's not as hard as it seems

    But still it's easy to be out there driving as hard as you can and just have a split second brain freeze and go the wrong way!
    Also, when you're watching the video, you aren't able to look side-to-side or focus further down the course; your POV is locked into that of the camera, so the video viewer is at a disadvantage compared to a driver on the course.
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    B3NN3TT---Yep, exactly right! I think the in-car videos with the camera mounted on the side of the car are just about impossible to watch since you can't see the other side of the car or what's coming up when turning the other direction. That can be good for autocross if you want to see how close to the cones you get on one side, so I guess ideally you could mount a camera on each side, one behind the driver to see how you're doing on technique, and then a data logger to see what you're really doing!

    LifeByTheMile: thanks for the tip, some data system would be a big help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Nixon View Post
    B3NN3TT---Yep, exactly right! I think the in-car videos with the camera mounted on the side of the car are just about impossible to watch since you can't see the other side of the car or what's coming up when turning the other direction. That can be good for autocross if you want to see how close to the cones you get on one side, so I guess ideally you could mount a camera on each side, one behind the driver to see how you're doing on technique, and then a data logger to see what you're really doing!

    LifeByTheMile: thanks for the tip, some data system would be a big help!
    Don't forget the rear facing camera to catch any mysterious cone calls too, or to watch them go flying.

    I can't imagine not having a course map first thing in the morning. Some of the clubs out here use as few cones as possible, so where one club may have a tunnel around a sweeper we would usually only have entry and exit cones (pointers optional) and you figure out your own line between the two points. Sometimes there will be a center cone. Its quite interesting to see the different lines drivers take with different cars.

    I know a lot of people think data-logging is only for the hyper competitive, well funded guys but its amazing how even a beginner like me (starting 2nd year) can improve by just comparing my own runs. It really makes a difference when you have one of the top guys co-drive your vehicle for the day and you can compare runs.
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