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    Quote Originally Posted by piney500 View Post
    Kind of thought so. Thanks for confirming. I'm assuming that mainly what they do is keep the car from rolling as much?
    Yeah exactly, less roll means the car gets less out of sorts when in turns. You also feel more comfortable pushing the car more when it doesn't roll.


    Quote Originally Posted by piney500 View Post
    Don't plan on racing (at least not for now), just want some increased performance handling. And I do plan on going with CPR's gear. I was also under the impression that lowering the car with the shocks would help the bar do it's job better, so would one not benefit significantly from the other?
    So the shocks impact how the car reacts to the road (compression & rebound). It doesn't actually contribute that much to the height of the car. The springs really control the height. I'm not certain if this is true in all cases, but based on personal experience, when I increase the rear ride height (thus increase rear weight distribution), I get more oversteer. So lowering the rear only should actually decrease the effect of the bar. Of course, when people lower the car, they lower both the front and rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piney500 View Post
    Thanks for all the input so far. As stated previously, I have no intention of doing an upper brace bar in the front, so that is a non-issue. After thinking about it I'm probably going to forgo having a front brace bar altogether and just do chassis braces. Since I live in a more rural area it wouldn't be the best idea for me to slam this car given the roads around here. The first 15-20 miles of questionably paved roads getting to the highway from my house could be murder on this car if the profile where too low. However, I was wondering how worth it it would be to at least bring the rear down to the same level as the front. I'm sure that any decrease in elevation would help, but at what point does the cost outweigh the benefit if I'm only going to go so far?
    I had many of the same thoughts and concerns that you have. I've taken my car to track days three times now and I'd like to take it more in the future. But the reality is my car is a streetcar not a race car so daily drivability is very important to me. As a result of this I decided not to lower my car and I kept the stock springs. But I did get the Koni front and rear shocks. I decided that being able to adjust the damping of the shocks was more important to me than adjusting the height of the car. I think the Koni yellow rear shocks made more of a difference than the Koni yellow front shocks. A stiffer rear sway bar will probably also make a positive difference on the track-not so much on the street from my perspective but many people will say otherwise.

    I personally believe that some of the large braces added to these cars add weight but not value. People swear by them though. I wish we had more objective ways to get data about these mods rather than the subjective feelings of myself or others. At the very least blind tests where the drivers didn't know what the change was might be useful. There is definitely a placebo effect with some of these mods.

    About leveling the rear of your car- I was thinking about doing that too since it would make the car look better. What I found out was that this car does not have much suspension travel in the rear. It's not uncommon on this forum to hear of people hitting the bump stops after adding lowering springs. That wasn't acceptable to me and it is something that you should think about before you lower the car.

    Whatever you choose though you're likely to have some fun making modifications. I know I have.
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    The rear torsion bar alone, will do more for your handling then any of the other options discussed. That and the chassis braces I did first, and between the two, it was like driving a new, firmly planted to the road car. Very noticeable difference in handling, and gave me much more confidence to push the car hard, without the car wanting to dive upon heavy braking.

    Just bought the rear Koni's, haven't installed them yet, and do have the under the hood brace. Despite some of the negative remarks, it still helps tighten up the front end of the body of the car. Certainly doesn't hurt to have one, easy to install, and it looks good under the hood. In the category of if you have extra money to spend.
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    Again, thanks to all who have contributed. This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for in order to make an informed decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purgatory View Post
    The rear torsion bar alone, will do more for your handling then any of the other options discussed. That and the chassis braces I did first, and between the two, it was like driving a new, firmly planted to the road car. Very noticeable difference in handling, and gave me much more confidence to push the car hard, without the car wanting to dive upon heavy braking.

    Just bought the rear Koni's, haven't installed them yet, and do have the under the hood brace. Despite some of the negative remarks, it still helps tighten up the front end of the body of the car. Certainly doesn't hurt to have one, easy to install, and it looks good under the hood. In the category of if you have extra money to spend.
    That is a category I'm completely unfamiliar with, lol. And that's the biggest thing about all these mods is that they're going to take months to acquire so I have plenty of time to compile shared knowledge and select only the most beneficial enhancements. Unfortunately the heart is willing, but the pension check? Not so much.
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    Discussed elsewhere so you already know my take on things... rear torsion bar and front Corsa braces to start and add later as desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweak View Post
    Discussed elsewhere so you already know my take on things... rear torsion bar and front Corsa braces to start and add later as desired.
    Yep yep!
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