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    Motul 5w40 Fiat Approved?! + A list of other Synthetic Oil Specs (5w40)

    I just did a quick comparison from different 5w40 Synthetic Data Sheets because I was bored.

    I found that Motul X-Clean is approved for Fiat too!
    http://www.motul.com/system/product_...5W-40_(GB).pdf The FIAT 9.55535-S2 performance level imposes the engine oil to combine both ACEA C3 standard
    and 5W-40 viscosity grade in order to perfectly lubricate all Gasoline engines of FIAT, ALFA-ROMEO,
    and LANCIA produced from July 2007.
    *Viscosity at 100C (212F)*
    -Pennzoil Ultra Euro: 13.2 mm/s (FIAT APPROVED)
    -Motul X-Clean: 14.1 mm/s (FIAT APPROVED)
    -Shell Rotella T6: 14.2 mm/s
    -Eneos: 14.67 mm/s
    -Valvoline Synpower: 13.1 mm/s
    -Agip PC : 13.44 mm/s
    -Redline: 15.6 mm/s
    -Amsoil Euro: 13.6 mm/s
    -Shell Helix Ultra: 13.1 mm/s (FIAT APPROVED)
    -Liqui-Moly Synthoil: 14.1 mm/s

    *Viscosity at 40C (104F)*
    -Pennzoil Ultra Euro: 80.7 mm/s
    -Motul X-Clean: 84.7 mm/s
    -Shell Rotella T6: 87 mm/s
    -Eneos: 90.23 mm/s
    -Valvoline Synpower: 79.0 mm/s
    -Agip PC : 79.67 mm/s
    -Redline: 97 mm/s
    -Amsoil Euro: 83.3 mm/s
    -Shell Helix Ultra: 74.4 mm/s
    Liqui-Moly Synthoil: 86 mm/s

    *Flash point*
    -Pennzoil Ultra Euro: 215.5C
    -Motul X-Clean: 234C
    -Shell Rotella T6: 224C
    -Eneos: 226C
    -Valvoline Synpower: 230C
    -Agip PC : 240C
    -Redline: 232C
    -Amsoil Euro: 220C
    -Shell Helix Ultra: 215C
    -Liqui-Moly Synthoil: 222C
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    is 'Fiat' approved the same thing as for the MultiAir 1.4L though? I thought our engines were the exception in their line up, hence the narrow specifications, etc., with regards to the MultiAir valving requirements, and detergent requirements.
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    Motul is really up there when it comes to high quality oils, it’s an Ester Based Synthetic.. Not the Hydrocracked over the shelf stuff. Group V oils usually provide better film strength protection and are cleaner.. They don’t ash as much as Group III Oils.

    The specs of Agip PC are very close to Pennzoil Euro though, I wouldn't mind giving that a try since a lot of Ferraris and Lamborghinis been using the stuff for decades. I’ve had first hand experience with Agip for Motorcycles, great stuff.. It doesn’t even smell like oil, it’s virtually odorless!

    The Oil Specs are pretty strict for our cars, so we need to run the best oils for sure. Too bad most don't have an official approval for Fiat-Chrysler! Pennzoil Ultra is definitely safe since it's the only fully certified oil, but there will be times where we can't get our hands on it and will need to quickly cross reference another oil to use.

    BTW Motul is around the same price as Pennzoil Ultra, but easier to get.. & Agip should cost a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deefourtay View Post
    Motul is really up there when it comes to high quality oils, it’s an Ester Based Synthetic.. Not the Hydrocracked over the shelf stuff. Group V oils usually provide better film strength protection and are cleaner.. They don’t ash as much as Group III Oils.

    The specs of Agip PC are very close to Pennzoil Euro though, I wouldn't mind giving that a try since a lot of Ferraris and Lamborghinis been using the stuff for decades. I’ve had first hand experience with Agip for Motorcycles, great stuff.. It doesn’t even smell like oil, it’s virtually odorless!

    The Oil Specs are pretty strict for our cars, so we need to run the best oils for sure. Too bad most don't have an official approval for Fiat-Chrysler! Pennzoil Ultra is definitely safe since it's the only fully certified oil, but there will be times where we can't get our hands on it and will need to quickly cross reference another oil to use.

    BTW Motul is around the same price as Pennzoil Ultra, but easier to get.. & Agip should cost a bit more.
    i don't know what the fiat oil spec is for the multiair but the chrysler spec is ms-12991 or ms-10896. but amsoil is saying ms-10850 supersedes ms-10896 and the 4th edition manual for the dart is now saying ms-10725 in the fluids pagewhich was the requirement for the srt cars but still says ms-10896 on the warranty page . the amsoil should have ms-10725 as well as ms-10850, mobil1 0w40 is ms-10725 as well as redline 0w40 and 5w40. motul probably hasn't been tested by chrysler.

    anyway motul isn't exactly on store shelves in the united states but it can be mail ordered and you won't find fiat oil requirements on the side of oil bottled for the USA either. maybe canada. it would be nice if someine can verify the fiat specification for a multi-air turbo and make certain it's not for a t-jet or non turbo multiair then we can try to compile a list of acceptable oils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dart1.4t View Post
    i don't know what the fiat oil spec is for the multiair but the chrysler spec is ms-12991 or ms-10896. but amsoil is saying ms-10850 supersedes ms-10896 and the 4th edition manual for the dart is now saying ms-10725 in the fluids pagewhich was the requirement for the srt cars but still says ms-10896 on the warranty page . the amsoil should have ms-10725 as well as ms-10850, mobil1 0w40 is ms-10725 as well as redline 0w40 and 5w40. motul probably hasn't been tested by chrysler.

    anyway motul isn't exactly on store shelves in the united states but it can be mail ordered and you won't find fiat oil requirements on the side of oil bottled for the USA either. maybe canada. it would be nice if someine can verify the fiat specification for a multi-air turbo and make certain it's not for a t-jet or non turbo multiair then we can try to compile a list of acceptable oils.
    I build race engines and I use Mobil 1, Amsoil, Rotella, Motul. An SN rated oil is a high grade which is just as good as the next SN rated oil. Best suggestion is stick to the manufactures multi weight 5w40 and run any of the SN rated oils.

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    Luckily for me Motul is stocked on store shelves, at a tuner shop in my area. They also sell Agip at an Exotic Car Dealership in my area as well! You're not going to see Pennzoil Ultra on the shelf either, I haven't seen a single place around here have it!

    Quote Originally Posted by dart1.4t View Post
    i don't know what the fiat oil spec is for the multiair but the chrysler spec is ms-12991 or ms-10896. but amsoil is saying ms-10850 supersedes ms-10896 and the 4th edition manual for the dart is now saying ms-10725 in the fluids pagewhich was the requirement for the srt cars but still says ms-10896 on the warranty page . the amsoil should have ms-10725 as well as ms-10850, mobil1 0w40 is ms-10725 as well as redline 0w40 and 5w40. motul probably hasn't been tested by chrysler.

    anyway motul isn't exactly on store shelves in the united states but it can be mail ordered and you won't find fiat oil requirements on the side of oil bottled for the USA either. maybe canada. it would be nice if someine can verify the fiat specification for a multi-air turbo and make certain it's not for a t-jet or non turbo multiair then we can try to compile a list of acceptable oils.
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    But Rotella is at every walmart for a quarter of the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deefourtay View Post
    You're not going to see Pennzoil Ultra on the shelf either, I haven't seen a single place around here have it!
    The service department near me stocks this by the case, piled up right outside the window. Maybe ask them to carry it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jguerdat View Post
    The service department near me stocks this by the case, piled up right outside the window. Maybe ask them to carry it.
    I just ordered via Amazon Prime with Free 2-day Shipping... (the P Euro)
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