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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Cool View Post
    From my searching the only 15s that will fit are low width and very low offset. The front calipers and torsion bar bracket extend too much to allow much. The Competizione Monzas in 6.5" width and 15mm offset fit, barely. If you go wider you have to use even lower offset to make up for the extra rim width, ending up with a '90s ghetto hoopty look. Or else you are forced into fender flares.

    For wider rims you need 16". Going to a "stanced" look on these cars is pretty much a crime, IMHO. Stretching tires to fit wide rims just for the look falls into that same mix, as the farther you get from square on the sidewall the more you impact handling. Far as I know handling is the signature of these cars...
    All I am looking to do is go flush with a wide lip. Not any crazy negative camber, super stretched tires or tires poking out from the fenders. From what I am getting in feedback from everyone trying to go 15"s and do this is most likely not going to happen. I will start searching 16"s more and see what I can find. I still really like those Rota Track-R2s just that 40mm offset is the killer of the deal. If they had a 16x8 et30 I would order them immediatley

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    Good thing I got a stack of "get out of jail free" cards then. :-p

    I'd say the signature of these cars is the styling. Odd and quirky. Having a performance model offered is a bonus. But I do agree with 2Cool on the 15s. Look into ssr's dylansi they got a bunch of old school style wheels out. If you're hellbent on going with 15s then I'd say you're better off trying to find a good 1 piece wheel with a concave or flat face/no lip/step-lip and then just get spacers to make it all play nice.
    Yep if I cant find anything else I really like I will get those Rotas and add 10mm spacers. But thanks to everyone here I have plenty of wheels from all different manufactures to look up. I dont mind being like you and your car and standing out. Have done the colored wheel route before and think on these cars with the look the have already it would just add that much more to it. Skip the 15"s on to 16"s
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    Quote Originally Posted by nojeebs View Post
    Good thing I got a stack of "get out of jail free" cards then. :-p

    I'd say the signature of these cars is the styling. Odd and quirky. Having a performance model offered is a bonus. But I do agree with 2Cool on the 15s. Look into ssr's dylansi they got a bunch of old school style wheels out. If you're hellbent on going with 15s then I'd say you're better off trying to find a good 1 piece wheel with a concave or flat face/no lip/step-lip and then just get spacers to make it all play nice.
    Has anyone tried to fit SSR's, Advans, or any of the Ray's wheels yet in 15"? I understand the rear torsion bar is an issue, but I measured over an inch of clearance between it and the inside of my 17" Abarth wheels. Going down by 2" in wheel diameter, from a layman's perspective, means a decrease in clearance by 1" for that torsion bar, which although cutting it close, should still be OK since it does not move relative to the wheel. I'm estimating about a 1/4" to 3/8" clearance still remaining, depending on how the wheel is manufactured of course. I think RRM sells a Stance wheel in 15", IIRC.
    I am still going to try to find a place to fit 15x8" wheels. I've rolled the front fenders, but the rear fenders are SO thin that there's not enough bite surface against the roller to roll them properly. I should have about 5-6mm additional outside clearance of the fender at this point at least. So, as long as the breaks fit, and the rear torsion bar mount sneaks inside the inner circumference of the wheel, is there anything else I need to worry about in terms of rubbing suspension parts? The springs on my CO's are very narrow wound, so hoping I can get away with 15x8's still. Max grip is my key objective...I don't care about stance, but I also don't mind a modest tire stretch either...contrary to popular belief, some stretch can actually increase handling performance as long as too aggressive caber isn't also dialed in. I think the AX Nat Champ last year was running a modest stretch even...something about stiffening the overall sidewall and a more progressive break-away due to the angle of the sidewall that he preferred.
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    ^^interesting JDMLand, JHPUSA and PasswordJDM all have lots of choices especially in the 15" range
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    Quote Originally Posted by dylansi View Post
    ^^interesting JDMLand, JHPUSA and PasswordJDM all have lots of choices especially in the 15" range
    evasivemotorsports.com too, or bulletproof.

    Wedsports and Works are also on my short list. the 16" Professors are a classic on the Abarth in europe...


    basically, anything but these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-inch-AR85...-/290779093723

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    A lot of my friends keep telling me to throw wide 15's on the car, but honestly from the suspension options we have an the geometry we have, i dont think 15's can be pulled off properly. Personally im going to be looking for a monoblock lighter weight wheel in 16" so i can run a tire with some meat, not have to crank down my BC's all the way and still look good. Perhaps a forged 2 or 3 piece, but i really dont think spending that kind of money on wheels that wont be put on a car with anything but motorsport stance is worth it.

    just my $0.02

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    still my favorite looking Ab:


    and some other 15" pics I found:






    but yeah... i know it's not functional, but I do have to admit, this is SO clean (16"):


    I mean, we can go smaller than 15" too, but then we end up looking like this:
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    We will have to agree to disagree. Please note that these are my own opinions based on several years in performance tire installation at a Tirerack authorized installer, and based on actual handling and real world driveability. Also based on a lot of Solo2 as well as NASA HPDE and other open track experience, plus more driving schools than I can remember. Please also note that I am a 47yo man, so am inherently grumpy and have "get off my lawn" signs.

    On that note, any time you have to run a stupid small tire stretched in order to fit inside a fender well, it is ugly, nonfunctional, and can be dangerous. Any time you cannot manage to fit a rim of proper offset and width inside your fender well, it is ugly. Pulling the fenders, flares, are all valid methods to make them fit, assuming proper tire selection and geometry. Half-assing it to just say "look how wide my rims are!" with 9" wide rims with 185 width tires to fit under the car, is stupid.

    So most of what you like has me shaking my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Cool View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree. Please note that these are my own opinions based on several years in performance tire installation at a Tirerack authorized installer, and based on actual handling and real world driveability. Also based on a lot of Solo2 as well as NASA HPDE and other open track experience, plus more driving schools than I can remember. Please also note that I am a 47yo man, so am inherently grumpy and have "get off my lawn" signs.

    On that note, any time you have to run a stupid small tire stretched in order to fit inside a fender well, it is ugly, nonfunctional, and can be dangerous. Any time you cannot manage to fit a rim of proper offset and width inside your fender well, it is ugly. Pulling the fenders, flares, are all valid methods to make them fit, assuming proper tire selection and geometry. Half-assing it to just say "look how wide my rims are!" with 9" wide rims with 185 width tires to fit under the car, is stupid.

    So most of what you like has me shaking my head.
    Actually, I don't disagree with anything you've said. I'm a grumpy old guy too, but I still love the way that white car LOOKS, from a pure stance aesthetic...which may be where we diverge in opinion. I would never do that to my own car, however. And when I say 'modest stretch', I'm not talking what the stance community might call modest, I'm talking a very small degree of stretch, if and when fitment is going to 'just make it' to pull off wider rubber. Not the 9"/185 scenario you mentioned, in other words. Stretching can help in small ways to change the effective profile of a tire for clearance, and marginally lower COG, and if not abused is a way to sometimes fit wider rubber for tracking purposes. It is also a way to drive around dangerously low and slow, curb rims, and loose traction when over-cambered, lol (when abused).

    FWIW, the pictures above were me just taking a piss.. some of those cars and photochops are hideous! :-)

    Besides, look closely at the driver of the first picture.... WTH IS THAT?
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    That white one with Work Meisters is from Japan and is really just a clean flush setup. The stretch is on the mild side. But yeah let's just get back on track and keep this about flush fitment. I'm down with people having input but not when we start to get sidetracked....It happens quite a bit here from what I've noticed. :-p

    Dylansi you got plenty to go on and it's just a matter of your budget. I personally like a wide range of fitments on vehicles but seeing meaty setups on these cars just reminds me of a pop model. It's probably because the car is so tall....when I see them with 17s it tends to make the car appear longer which gives it a better visual appeal and proportion that's doesn't make it look so tall. But yeah you have fun search the interwebs for the wheels you want. I know I did and I ended up just going one off 3 piece wheels. :-p

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    Fair enough NoJeebs...thanks for getting us back on track. I assume the O.P. knows about these: http://roadracemotorsports.com/store...oducts_id=1505



    15x8's, and cheap.
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