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FTY
04-06-2013, 04:12 PM
Just curious to see what everyone else is using for summer tires?

I picked up these Falkens today(Finally) and alignment, Toe was out just a bit.

Falken RT615K 205/40/17 $140 @ discounttiredirect.com Treadwear is 200(DOT and SCCA Legal Track/Street)

http://www.eurocompulsion.net/FalkenAbarth.jpg


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So far so good, huge step-up from the Snow Tires and the stock Tires. Very stiff sidewall/nice curb protection and pretty sticky for the treadwear! Need to put some gentle miles on them to break them in but they feel very stable at speed.

Jjm4life
04-06-2013, 04:42 PM
Im thinking toyo r1r in 205/45-16. Loved them on my lotuses. Not sure how i feel about this size on the abarth

mkawa
04-06-2013, 05:29 PM
i just threw the toyos on 16x7s. so far they're great. steering feedback is much improved over the P7s. tread surface is significantly wider, and outer edge of the track is about +4mm (with 37ET wheels), which improves stability at speed by quite a bit. although the wheel rate is clearly higher, high frequency damping is still soft enough to keep the ride pretty comfortable. so far i've been pretty impressed.

shagghie
04-06-2013, 06:08 PM
hearing amazing things about the new BFG's that are out.
Track guys saying these are the next D2's, and times improved over the Direzza D1's and D2's overall.
Nice how the tread rolls around to side wall for Auto-X too.

2Cool
04-06-2013, 06:17 PM
What model BFG? I was looking at the Azenis or the Kumho SX up to now, can find both a bit over $110 each if you look.

mkawa
04-06-2013, 06:46 PM
g-sport rivals

they look pretty good and challenge will probably put up a good fight against the zii, but they're not available in 40 series 17" or 45 series 16" (yet? ever?)

the ziis are available in 215/40/17 already for those running 17x7.5, and will be available later this year (fall-ish probably) in 205/45/16..

stealthy1ss
04-06-2013, 07:44 PM
I am probably going to run R1R's because Dunlop doesn't have any Z2's in the size that I am looking at. My other choices are RS3's or the BFG rivals.

mkawa
04-06-2013, 09:29 PM
i know autox guys are in love with the rs3s right now..

vanzuidt
04-06-2013, 09:31 PM
Those are looking pretty sharp!

Abarth Five O
04-07-2013, 02:42 AM
Good choice, Chris! I'm running the Falkens 615ks too and love em. Huge upgrade, no more squirreliness or fishtailing at high speeds from the stock P zeroes.

FTY
04-07-2013, 03:55 AM
Good choice, Chris! I'm running the Falkens 615ks too and love em. Huge upgrade, no more squirreliness or fishtailing at high speeds from the stock P zeroes.

Great exactly what i wanted to dial out! How has the wear been?

jguerdat
04-07-2013, 08:15 AM
I picked up these Falkens today(Finally) and alignment, Toe was out just a bit.

Falken RT615K 205/40/17 $140 @ discounttiredirect.com Treadwear is 200(great for a R compound tire)

These aren't R compounds. They're normal street tires.

I have front inside tire wear with 4-5k miles. Getting an alignment tomorrow - I expect to find I'm toed-out a bit. Adding camber and 0 toe since most driving will be on the street.

For the highest performance tires that don't raise the car like the BFG Rivals, we're limited to Dunlop Z1 and ZII as well as Yoko AD08. Maybe more choices later this year. The Rivals (and any other 45 series tire in 205 or 215 width like the R1Rs) are a full inch taller than stock, raising the car yet another .5", which this car doesn't need.

FTY
04-07-2013, 09:19 AM
These aren't R compounds. They're normal street tires.

I have front inside tire wear with 4-5k miles. Getting an alignment tomorrow - I expect to find I'm toed-out a bit. Adding camber and 0 toe since most driving will be on the street.

For the highest performance tires that don't raise the car like the BFG Rivals, we're limited to Dunlop Z1 and ZII as well as Yoko AD08. Maybe more choices later this year. The Rivals (and any other 45 series tire in 205 or 215 width like the R1Rs) are a full inch taller than stock, raising the car yet another .5", which this car doesn't need.

Yes your correct...its a DOT and SCCA Approved Track Tire. Corrected.

Abarth Five O
04-07-2013, 08:09 PM
Great exactly what i wanted to dial out! How has the wear been?

I haven't put too many miles on it yet to notice the wear. I'll be installing the BC COs this week and get an alignment and will report back. Thanks for sending the top strut mounts so promptly! Great service!

SuperTony
04-07-2013, 08:28 PM
I installed Yokohama S-Drive 215 35 40s on 17x7.5 BBS rims and I they are great.
5660

FTY
04-07-2013, 08:46 PM
I haven't put too many miles on it yet to notice the wear. I'll be installing the BC COs this week and get an alignment and will report back. Thanks for sending the top strut mounts so promptly! Great service!

Anytime!! Thank you!

mkawa
04-08-2013, 12:33 AM
Yes your correct...its a DOT and SCCA Approved Track Tire. Corrected. the azenis are an autox tire, not a road course tire. they heat up very quickly, but their high temp envelope is too low for higher speed road courses. the non K version of the azeni was particularly famous for getting greasy after a few runs. the Ks have done some work to fix this, but azenis have generally been abandoned at higher levels of solo competition in favor of dunlop z series and the hankook rs3

Abarth Five O
04-08-2013, 02:36 AM
Anytime!! Thank you!

After I wear out the Falken Azenis 615ks, I'll try the Toyo Proxes R1R which is the one Rob uses on the U/W and is similar in design and performance.

FTY
04-08-2013, 04:31 AM
After I wear out the Falken Azenis 615ks, I'll try the Toyo Proxes R1R which is the one Rob uses on the U/W and is similar in design and performance.

I wanted something close to a track tire but would last a summer or two. Thats why I went with the Falkens, I had the older versions on my old porsche and I was happy with them, street and AutoX use. So far I feel they are leaps and bounds from the stock Pirelli's. I saw DOT approved and SCCA Approved and "ass"umed they were a full R compound even though the treadwear was very high. Should have done a little more research.

Abarthman
04-08-2013, 06:51 AM
BFG Comp 2s.
Toyos, Falkens, etc; don't compare, trust me.
The Comp 2 produces absolutely NECK-SNAPPING levels of grip.

I work "in the industry" in R&D for a certain very well known tire manufacturer. The BFG Rivals is a bit better than the Comp 2, but not sure the Rivals is available in our sizes yet, and the tread life may be getting a little short on that tire....

The stock car has a tested lateral acceleration of about 0.86g, as quoted by most of the motor mags. My car, with Comp 2s, Eibach Sportlines, the RRM rear bar, and some more negative camber on the front, has got to be pulling close to 1.0 g. Massive, MASSIVE increase in cornering power.

If you'd like some more details on why the Comp 2s are so good, feel free to IM me and I can give some details off line. I am in a position that I can't release this information publicly.

Abarth Five O
04-08-2013, 01:33 PM
BFG Comp 2s.
Toyos, Falkens, etc; don't compare, trust me.
The Comp 2 produces absolutely NECK-SNAPPING levels of grip.

I work "in the industry" in R&D for a certain very well known tire manufacturer. The BFG Rivals is a bit better than the Comp 2, but not sure the Rivals is available in our sizes yet, and the tread life may be getting a little short on that tire....

The stock car has a tested lateral acceleration of about 0.86g, as quoted by most of the motor mags. My car, with Comp 2s, Eibach Sportlines, the RRM rear bar, and some more negative camber on the front, has got to be pulling close to 1.0 g. Massive, MASSIVE increase in cornering power.

If you'd like some more details on why the Comp 2s are so good, feel free to IM me and I can give some details off line. I am in a position that I can't release this information publicly.

The BFG Comp 2 and Rivals look very good. I'll definitely check them out for my next set of tires. Thanks for the info!

Deefourtay
04-08-2013, 05:40 PM
Somebody on the Subaru Forums said that the BFG Comp 2 are good, however the BFG KDW2 feels even more grippy.. The only cons about them to most people is that they are loud tires, might not be a concern for me.. I might give the KDW2's a try, the noise might be a small sacrifice for awesome grip on dry and wet pavement.

FootScoot
04-09-2013, 10:55 PM
I ordered some Yokohama S-Drives 205/40/17's. These will be used for summer tires. I'll swap them for the 16's in winter.:glee:

Thomas
04-09-2013, 11:03 PM
Is a comparative review available on these tire? Not doubting any of the claims, just wondering. Are the Pirelli tires that bad. Taking into consideration factors like non track use, road noise, wear etc...

Abarthman
04-10-2013, 06:49 AM
There is comparative data in my company, but not publicly available.
Car and Driver did a comparison about 5 months ago on the top 6 or 7 high performance tires on the market. The Pirellis came in dead last.
The Michelin Pilot SS came in first (no surprise where I live).
The BFG Comp 2 wasn't tested, but the performance would be very, very comparable to the Pilot SS; I can tell you that as a fact; I just can't publicly say how I know that is true.
The BFG KDWs are almost as good, but they do have complaints about road noise due to the large tread block size, that the Comp2s don't have, and the Comp 2s have some performance advantage over the KDWs, although it's small.

mkawa
04-10-2013, 07:03 AM
eagerly awaiting BFG rivals in 205/45/16 :D

jguerdat
04-10-2013, 07:49 AM
Is a comparative review available on these tire? Not doubting any of the claims, just wondering. Are the Pirelli tires that bad. Taking into consideration factors like non track use, road noise, wear etc...

The Pirellis aren't bad at all for the street. They're just not track/autocross tires.

jguerdat
04-10-2013, 07:50 AM
eagerly awaiting BFG rivals in 205/45/16 :D

I'm waiting for 205/40-17s (or 215/40-17). Fat chance...

mkawa
04-10-2013, 08:28 AM
40 series 17" is pretty limited..

Abarth Five O
04-10-2013, 11:42 PM
The Pirellis aren't bad at all for the street. They're just not track/autocross tires.

For me, the stock Pirelli P zeroes were terrible even for the street at speeds over 50 mph i.e. constant fishtailing and squirreliness gave me an insecure feeling so I shagged them and got Falken 615ks and love them: softer ride, better gripping on hard turns, and no fishtailing.

jguerdat
04-11-2013, 07:51 AM
40 series 17" is pretty limited..

I've noticed. ;) I'm just not into raising the car with other tire sizes...

Mr. Man
04-11-2013, 02:58 PM
For me, the stock Pirelli P zeroes were terrible even for the street at speeds over 50 mph i.e. constant fishtailing and squirreliness gave me an insecure feeling so I shagged them and got Falken 615ks and love them: softer ride, better gripping on hard turns, and no fishtailing.

The stock Pirellis are great... for hooning! :burnout:

jguerdat
04-12-2013, 08:02 AM
I'm trying to burn them off as fast as I can but they've been fine at extra-legal speeds except on grooved pavement. Even there other tires have produced the same squirm.

I won't be using them again...

MAZ
04-12-2013, 09:20 AM
The Falken RT615's are no joke. Track tire with enough wear to DD.

Abarthman
04-17-2013, 06:22 AM
I DID check; the BFG Rivals tire IS going to come out in more sizes; hopefully our 16" and 17" sizes will be among the expanded range.
Build volumes are very, very low; kind of makes it hard to justify some very expensive tooling.....

mkawa
04-17-2013, 07:51 AM
205/45/16!!!

jguerdat
04-17-2013, 07:59 AM
I'd have to consider some 16" wheels if I could get shorter tires. 6.5" wide doesn't thrill me but... I also wouldn't mind some 35 series for the 17s.

2Cool
04-17-2013, 09:46 AM
I'd have to consider some 16" wheels if I could get shorter tires. 6.5" wide doesn't thrill me but... I also wouldn't mind some 35 series for the 17s.

Looking at Tirerack most of the 205 tires list 6.5" within their recommended mounting range.

EliRider
04-17-2013, 10:04 AM
I did not mind the Pirellis but agree they were a bit squirrelly.

I'm liking the BFG g-force Sport Comp-2. Although they are stiff and handle quite well. Not sure what I would try next.

Abarthman
04-17-2013, 12:05 PM
Looking at Tirerack most of the 205 tires list 6.5" within their recommended mounting range.

I followed RRM's recommendations for autocross wheels/ tires sizes:
16 x 8" wide wheels / 205/40 tires (Hoosiers, in my case.....) Hoosier actually recommends 7" wheels for this tire, but it seemed to mount on the 8" fine. We'll try them out this weekend (Heh, heh.....)

Abarthman
04-17-2013, 12:06 PM
I did not mind the Pirellis but agree they were a bit squirrelly.

I'm liking the BFG g-force Sport Comp-2. Although they are stiff and handle quite well. Not sure what I would try next.

I have the Comp 2 also..... major, MAJOR upgrade over the Pirelli P-Zero, especially with some more negative camber cranked in on the front.....

Abarth Five O
04-17-2013, 01:31 PM
The Falken RT615's are no joke. Track tire with enough wear to DD.

I got em and love em. My next set of tires will probably be Toyo Proxes R1Rs. R/R has them on the U/W.

Nunzio67
10-28-2014, 01:14 PM
All-

I just had Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sport 205/45R16's to replace my Pirelli Cinturatos. So far, the grip has been excellent on dry and wet roads.
There is no tread warranty. I paid $105 per tire at Firestone! I did a lot of research and they get great reviews, compared to the Michelin Pilot sport AS3 tires.

jwgrigio
10-28-2014, 02:41 PM
I just had Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sport 205/45R16's to replace my Pirelli Cinturatos.

That tread pattern looks almost exactly like the potenza re002s I had installed today but they have 220 wear rating :). I wanted re-11s but selection different and limited in Taiwan. I'm sure anything is better than p7s. I got schooled by an old corolla in the mountains so I figured it was time for stickier shoes.

moosestang
10-28-2014, 02:57 PM
I installed Yokohama S-Drive 215 35 40s on 17x7.5 BBS rims and I they are great.
5660

Love my s. drives on my mustang. Very predictable tire.

Tweak
10-28-2014, 09:48 PM
All-

I just had Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sport 205/45R16's to replace my Pirelli Cinturatos. So far, the grip has been excellent on dry and wet roads.
There is no tread warranty. I paid $105 per tire at Firestone! I did a lot of research and they get great reviews, compared to the Michelin Pilot sport AS3 tires.

Classified as Ultra High Performance Summer tires... I'll only make that mistake once and I did that many years ago. Going forward I will stick with a tire than can handle all seasons and are not considered a summer specific tire. ;)

I am jealous of those that can reply here and run a summer tire all the time. :(

Nunzio67
10-29-2014, 08:36 AM
Living in a warm climate like Houston has its benefits:)
After the tire break in period, I will have another report on how these tires are performing.

I have friends that have these tires on the Porsche 911, Abarth, Challenger and the reports on the Potenzas are all good.

pk9394
10-29-2014, 03:42 PM
happy with these Kumho Ecsta LE Sport 215/40-17

Nunzio67
11-06-2014, 11:06 AM
The break-in period is over. 500 miles later, I am happy to report these tires are phenomenal!!
In wet or dry conditions, the grip is just incredible.

I would highly recommend these as summer tires.

fico
11-08-2014, 11:38 PM
I just install 215/40/17 p zero nero gt they better then original p zero nero